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Why Collectivism is Illogical

I am hopefully preaching to the choir here in this one, but a fundamental issue to me is the validity of collectivism. This premise, that the group's rights are of more value than the individual's within that group, is the core failing of most political philosophies. It also is fundamentally a false premise logically.

The core issue with collectivism is the assumption that the group could in any way exist fundamentally without individuals to make it exist. Let's say we have person a and b. They are distinct people with no group trait overlaps. They are both individuals and neither belong to a given grouping because groups require multiple individuals to exist. But individuals do not require groups in order to exist conceptually.

Now some people will use family to claim this argument is false. But families are just abstract labels describing a set of genetically (or legally) linked individual people. Some people will claim companies violate that perspective, but every company has an individual signing the contracts, the asset deeds and other documents showing the company exists at all.

This fallacy of reasoning is more commonly known as reification - the ascribing of aspects and traits that living entries have to something which is just an idea. It makes society an organism that is somehow independent of the entities that actually have the will and agency to affect it.

As it is illogical and inherently a false premise, all schools of thought built from it, as well as all political ideologies, are doomed to fail to achieve their intents. Collectivism to me is an incipid thought virus that will mutate to survive, but it's always identifiable by being anti-Individualist at its core. And it always yields misery for the individuals in the outgroup, whatever that may be.

Lupinate 3 Apr 15
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Collectives work in some manners. A unifying objective and willing membership is generally the issue. Generally in this way Collectivism works and can be beneficial.
Today's pushers of the Idea view it very idealistic.

The larger a Collective movement(generally becoming communism/socialism) the greater disorder within the Group. Disorder comes from the lack of unifying directive/objective. So it becomes increasing more authoritarian in it's attempts to maintain power of the collective body.

Second issue with today's collective groups is basing it strictly upon a predisposition. It generally doesn't represent it's members well.

This is just a ripple of the world sliding further into chaos.

I'm sorry, but what you described about collective action is not in any way "collectivism", but I don't blame you for the confusion, CodeNameZebra. It is a common misconception of the principle itself.

Collectivism requires the group be considered of more value than the individuals that comprise it. Collective action does not require that view be in place at all. Instead, it simply requires a common goal to achieve amongst like minded individuals. Such actions requires no specific ideological view - either individualism or collectivism can be the driving force.

It is important to make such distinctions, otherwise one risks claiming that only by collectivism is collective action even possible, which is patently false.

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I can't connect with this at all, even within a Group thought someone is not going to think the same they will be sepressed into thinking alike if weaken to do so. I am a absolute individualist AMERICAN

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Solid individualist here.

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