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Reminder: It's illegal to engage in fisticuffs with police officers.

AZSonoraNAT139 4 June 14
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Even in light of what @Josfkelley has reminded- that it can be technically legal- it is usually practically unwise. Few of us will ever be in a situation where we truly know and understand everything about a given circumstance and clashing with the police is usually unproductive.

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That is at best a specious claim. If someone claiming to be a police officer is perpetrating a crime and someone else has only "fisticuffs" available to arrest the criminal perpetrating the crime, which is warranted by the fact that the perpetrator is perpetrating the crime at that time and in that place, if possible, then doing so is a duty in a civil, lawful, society.

If the arrest was not warranted in fact, then a jury could determine that fact lawfully, after the fact.

Being labeled a "police officer" does not change the fact that some people, with badges, perpetrate very serious crimes upon innocent people, which warrants (probable cause) defensive actions on the part of whomever is in that place at that time and is able to defend the victim or victims.

The idea that "police" because they have a "license" are immune from defensive actions, because they have a fictional "shield" from accountability, and immunity from prosecution, is an idea.

It is not a new idea. It is called tyranny.

1776:
First Congress:
"That the question was not whether, by a declaration of independence, we should make ourselves what we are not; but whether we should declare a fact which already exists:
That, as to the people or Parliament of England, we had always been independent of them, their restraints on our trade deriving efficacy from our acquiescence only, and not from any rights they possessed of imposing them; and that, so far, our connection had been federal only, and was now dissolved by the commencement of hostilities:
That, as to the king, we had been bound to him by allegiance, but that this bond was now dissolved by his assent to the late act of Parliament, by which he declares us out of his protection, and by his levying war on us a fact which had long ago proved us out of his protection, it being a certain position in law, that allegiance and protection are reciprocal, the one ceasing when the other is withdrawn:"

Previous statements acknowledging the same basic principle (defense against offense):

"That this right of resistance was recognized as a common law right, when the ancient and genuine trial by jury was in force, is not only proved by nature of the trial itself, but is acknowledged by history.
Hallam says, “The relation established between a lord and his vassal by the feudal tenure, far from containing principles of any servile and implicit obedience, permitted the compact to be dissolved in case of its violation by either party. This extended as much to the sovereign as to inferior lords.
If a vassal was aggrieved, and if justice was denied him, he sent a defiance, that is, a renunciation of fealty to the king, and was entitled to enforce redress at the point of his sword. It then became a contest of strength as between two independent potentates, and was terminated by treaty, advantageous or otherwise, according to the fortune of war. * There remained the original principle, that allegiance depended conditionally upon good treatment, and that an appeal might be lawfully made to arms against an oppressive government. Nor was this, we may be sure, left for extreme necessity, or thought to require a long enduring forbearance. In modern times, a king, compelled by his subjects’ swords to abandon any pretension, would be supposed to have ceased to reign; and the express recognition of such a right as that of insurrection has been justly deemed inconsistent with the majesty of law. But ruder ages had ruder sentiments. Force was necessary to repel force; and men accustomed to see the king’s authority defied by a private riot, were not much shocked when it was resisted in defence of public freedom.” - 3 Middle Ages, 240-2."

Lysander Spooner, Essay on The Trial by Jury, 1852

Bonding Code:
"A law enforcement officer will lose his bond if he oppresses a citizen to the point of civil. rebellion when that citizen attempts to obtain redress of grievances (U.S. constitutional 1st so-called amendment).

"When a state, by and through its officials and agents, deprives a citizen of all of his remedies by the due process of law and deprives the citizen of the equal protection of the law, the state commits an act of mixed war against the citizen, and, by its behavior, the state declares war on the citizen. The citizen has the right to recognize this act by the publication of a solemn recognition of mixed war. This writing has the same force as the Declaration of Independence. It invokes the citizen's U.S. constitutional 9th and 10th so-called amend guarantees of the right to create an effective remedy where otherwise none exists."

The Commercia Lien Right and the Military Lien Right
"In American history, the Declaration of Independence served the legal purpose of making a Solemn Recognition of Mixed War, which is a Notice of Military Lien Right, a warning of No Trespass, an assertion that any killing or taking of human life necessary for the protection of the legal remedies of the common citizen is being done, in the immediate situation described in the Solemn Recognition or Notice, not as murder, but as lethal self-defense of the commercial and social remedy against the cited domestic enemy or enemies. The Declaration of Independence is the legal model or format for the construction of the Solemn Recognition of Mixed War and the Notice of Military Lien Right."

"Reminder: It's illegal to engage in fisticuffs with police officers."

Depending upon the facts that matter in each case, the law would be determined in a trial after the fact.

"It is a matter well known, and well understood, that by the laws of our country, every question which affects a man's life, reputation, or property, must be tried by twelve of his peers; and that their unanimous verdict is, alone, competent to determine the fact in issue."
M'Kean Chief Justice
Respublica v. Shaffer
Court of Oyer and Terminer, at Philadelphia
February Sessions, 1788

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