A fetus is not a bunch of cells, that would be an embryo. The argument for abortion is "my body my choice". But wow...never knew about the borg perspective "our effort our choice".

@Freeken1 Everyone is a bunch of cells. That's what humans are made out of. I can understand not wanting to abort the baby once it can viably live outside the womb. But that kind of abortion is extremely rare and usually done because the has some sort of birth defect that will it upon birth, or there is some pregnancy complication that will probably the woman. We don't usually consider how dangerous pregnancy is due to modern medicine. Also how expensive deliveries can be.

@criminey359 at the point that a fetus is viable there is no medical necessity to abort that . In order to have an abortion at that point you killed a and then either have to induce labor or do a C-section to remove it. There is no medical Advantage or reason for the to be dead in order to do that you could just induce labor or do a C-section.

So when does the child get a say? At 6 weeks a human brain causes a human heart to beat. Before that I can accept a choice. By 8-10 weeks when they have working organs, wiggly fingers and toes I am not as cool with it. By the 3rd trimester the viability of the child is over 90% what gives the right to end that life?

@Freeken1 What adult human being has the right to take the life of another adult human being? Yet such occurs on a daily basis. Is that fair? Of course not, but it happens anyway. Who is going to patrol/watchover every single pregnant woman on this planet to make sure none of them will attempt to abort after six weeks? Life begins when the fetus is separated from the mother and functions on its own thus becoming an independent being. Simply put, we cannot force women to carry a fetus if they no longer want to, it's an ugly reality in life.

Lastly, I contend the term "pro life" does not apply to human beings. If you are willing to pick up a weapon to defend yourself from an attacker, even if said attacker is unarmed, you are not pro life. If you consume the flesh of animals (as I do), you are not pro life. I could go on, but I think you get the picture, human beings are not inherently pro life. I'm not cool with late term abortions either, but I know deep down inside there is nothing I can do to prevent all such abortion procedures.

@SpikeTalon I'm obviously not trying to call you out for wanting murder or anything lol, but can't all of that reasoning be used to justify the legalization of murder for adults too? Because "It's going to happen anyways"?

Haha again, I'm just genuinely curious what you think about that. Because that argument can be used on all crimes, the way I see it.

@BossPig I've said this before and I'll say it here now too... the only reason adults murdering adults is illegal in this country is because the government doesn't want any freelance competition...

@SpikeTalon I appreciate the logical consistency! Lol.

You can choose not to recognise the child, it seems to me. Which gives you the right to not have any legal/moral boundary towards the child or the mother. It might not be the case in N.America but I'm sure it is?

Convoluted reasoning. Men can be pro-choice in supporting women's rights to control their own bodies.

@blul0tuus u can choose to not recognize it but once court ordered to give financial support u will go to jail for not being a parent when women can say they aren't financially ready and abort it.

@pbuck0145 u made my point, only women can have the right to body autonomy. Men are held responsible for actions while women arent.

@blul0tuus A man cannot get a financial abortion. He has no say if a woman chooses to kill his child...or if she chooses to keep it. As per US courts anyway. Oddly, the court cites the right of the unborn child when it comes to a man's Financial support. So in a woman's choice there are no rights of the child, but the rights of the child override a man's choice

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