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Do you support abortions? Why/ why not?

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edgyberry 6 Mar 1
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I don't believe anyone has a right to kill someone, but that doesnt directly reflect how I feel about abortion.

But what about the right to imprison an innocent? Because that's what forcing a child on an unfit parent does. Everyone talks about the loss of the mother, but few talk about the loss or affect it has on the child outside of education or government funding.

You are perpetuating that child to live step by step through their parents mistakes by guilting someone into making what you think is the right decision. Right and wrong is still a debate in the world and we cling to this consept of good and evil but these are human made ideologies.

You likely have good intentions, but we all know where that often takes people. I wonder, instead of good vs bad, how would people act if their focuse was kind intentions?

Kindness is a different beast all together. It focuses on the people outside of yourself instead of how it makes you feel about a person or situation. Good intentions always fail because they are inhearently driven by narrow and often narcissistic tendencies. Kind intentions focuses on the things outside of yourself and outside of how you feel about someone else's life.

If that mother is genuinely concerned for her unborn child because she knows a honorable toxic life is in store for it that she won't be able to avoid (not saying because of any sort of disability the child might have, I believe that would be wrong)

This could come in many forms, the point is that woman is already probably feeling guilty as hell, as most seam to. But she is coming from a kind caring place, and could even be more sad at the idea of loosing the child but still want to make her decision on what she feels is right for the kid, not herself.

This is just one example, but rather than dictating what is right or wrong based off my or someone else's limited perspective, we can see how a kindness factor may be inhearently more "good" instead of "evil" than focusing on what an individual dictates is black and white.

I just think saving every single life might be a noble pursuit but is a bit out of our scope as a society at the moment. Our energy could be better spent tweaking our ideologies and creating a society that has a little less trouble arguing over what is right or wrong.

Animals die every day, we value life very little in the grand scheme of things. But human life is so sacred to us that we torture each other over it. Draw the differences all you want, my animals have been more humane and compassionate with me than any person I've met. Caught up in their own ego, trauma, ideologies and arguments over good vs evil has left people treating each other very badly.

(I think we all respect shows like game of thrones where an invasion leads to the gentle unwitting death of high standing royalty as they are sparing the tragic reality of what will happen when they get captured. )

I see kindness in this, and your right, the situations need to be considered carefully. But pro life is saying that someone you don't know doesnt have the right to make those decisions. I don't think anyone can ever know what is right for your body more than your own instincts. And you can't possibly know what it is to feel those instincts for a human being that you have shared a heart with. (Not that every person is equipped to make these choices on their own, nor do I think men should have no say in situations they are emotionally envestid in as well)

So I ask you, what is the kind intention? It might not be so clear from a multitude of other perspectives you can't imagine at the moment.

The mother never shares the heart with her child. Growing up poor is not as bad as it sounds.

@Facci I'm not overly educated on the facts, but the heart is not beating from conception is it? The life inside her would be relying on her heart beat until it's own develops, no?
I'm not sure on when that is exactly, but if there is one heart beat for two lives... that seems pretty shared to me.

Poor is not the worst thing that can happen, and infact I made a point of imprisonment and psychological manipulation. If your daughter was taken by sex traffickers would part of you not hope for a quick demise? There are worse things than murder, not that I would describe abortion as such but obviously I'm the minority here.

This is an extreme reference, but the way our society is built it caters to narcissism and even sociopaths. We under value this consept when forcing our ideas on others, and one thing we are forcing is that child into a cruel world. People say they don't or can't ask the children but aren't we all just advocating for what we believe? So aren't we all a potential abortion when we are forcing our opinions on others?

I for one think our society views death all wrong. This is the big communication gap for me personally, when you are less righteous about your beliefs the truth comes to an obvious stand still.

I just don't believe anyone arguing about enacting their beliefs on another person or family has a right to be doing so. And if they think it's such a problem then there are root causes to the symptoms they attack. Attacking symptoms just makes the week and vulnerable more week and more vulnerable. If the focuse was fixing the problem we wouldn't even be arguing over the law. This is a purely righteous pursuit, and i haven't met a person worth of throwing the first stone yet.

@Oxfret the moment of conception is the moment the child's heart beats. That is when she knows she's pregnant, the 2nd heartbeat. Obamacare claimed the child to be dependant on mother until 26, so when is the child considered viable?

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