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Do you agree with Trump building this wall? Why/ why not?

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edgyberry 6 Mar 3

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Yes! Where fences have been built they have already proved effective. The wall is phase 1 to what should be a multi-layered solution. And, then, there is also this:

The Cost of Illegal Immigration to the United States
At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend.

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I agree with the President's decision to build the wall for several reasons.

  1. Drugs. Building the wall will allow us to focus our drug detection efforts at the ports/ Border checkpoints.

  2. Human trafficking. Many victims of human trafficking come across our southern border. Some are forced to pose as families with thier captors.

  3. Terrorism. An open border that allows illegals to sneak in and avoid detection can also allow our enemies to do the same.

4). Illegal immigration. Illegal immigration costs the US billions of dollars a year and puts Americans at risk from the criminal element that use the open borders to prey on Americans.

  1. if your government doesn't have its fingers in it, then they'd fix the problem over night
  2. your government kills much more ppl than the number of victims of human trafficking
  3. your government is major terrorist of the world
  4. Americans are no.1 predators of the world, so no worries, you'll be fine

I know you mean good, but for gods sake, pull your head out of sand and inform yourself

@Evolve2More Well, perhaps you just don't understand what makes America the place that everyone wants be. This is why we have an illegal immigration problem.

At the risk of sounding like a hyper-nationalist...

  1. I doubt this. Our government has proven time after time that it's completely inept at eliminating drug traffic. As long as things carry some form of prohibition, there will be a black-market for those things. The best we can ever really hope for is reduction, not elimination.
  2. I'm sure it does. That said, "death" is not what we're trying mitigate. So, using an unrelated argument is exactly that. Unrelated.
  3. Again, we're focusing on OUR needs and not the concerns of the world at large. Fortification of any kind along our borders is done with the intention of protecting Americans and Americans alone.
  4. I would expect this be somewhat of a given. Americans preying on Americans is precisely the reason we have domestic laws. As worrying about the impact that the American government has on other nations, like the rest of your arguments, it's unrelated.

Allow me remind you that a government should be primarily concerned with the interests of the nation it governs. Just like China worries about China, the EU worries about Europe, and Russia is concerned with Russian interests, the sole concern of the American government should be the interests and further prosperity of the American people.

Does this mean we should turn isolationist? Absolutely not. It's still in our best interest have, and act as, allies of strategically located foreign nations. It's for this reason that we maintain trade, security, or other types of agreements with our allies. For nations we're not allied with, well, it's up their government look out for them. There is no requirement that America be a net positive in the world. As long as our people do well and continue prosper, in the end that's all that matters.

@Tarzankom Too much of said, you consider as unrelated. And there's one doubt. Doubt means uncertainty. Uncertainty means you actually don't know.
If you're talking about broken egg on the ground and I'm talking about cuckoo, then what I'm talking is very related to that broken egg's just you don't see a connection.
Thank you for the effort to reply, but I can't go into depth to show you how everything is in relation. That would be very long comment let's just agree that we disagree about it 🙂

@Evolve2More That sounds good. I can agree to disagree. 🙂


I've lived in California my whole life and seen first hand the determination of evil to destroy our country using immigration

What percentage of illegals do you think vote in elections?

@Marabella that's the problem no one knows


I absolutely agree and I want the wall built. Once the wall is built and we have control of the influx of illegals that are pouring across our borders, then we can begin to deal with the illegals that are currently in our country. You cannot have a sovereign nation without Borders. I am all for legal immigration. But what we are seeing is an invasion. And these are not immigrants that are looking for asylum, the majority of them are just looking for a better place to live or they are criminals with absolutely no respect for our country, our laws or our people. That is no reason for us to allow them to infiltrate our country without going through the proper procedures. If they are truly seeking asylum they can go to any points of entry and request it. I am sick and tired of looking on the news and seeing an illegal alien talking about their rights, burning our flag, ignoring our laws and screaming that we are mistreating them.
For goodness sake, I wish people had as much compassion for our own people and country, as they do for these illegal aliens who have absolutely no respect for our laws or our country.


Yes, as it was one of his campaign promises that he should make good on.


Congressman Dan Crenshaw had a talk on this on Shapiro's Sunday special. According to Border Patrol Agents we catch 400,000 illegals every year. Border Patrol estimate they catch 1 out of 3. I don't want an illegal underclass in this nation.


Simply cannot be a sovereign nation without borders.


I think it is just one way to improve our country's security. I know it isn't perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.


Lawful immigration is what makes America great but that requires assimilation and respect for our countrys laws. Illegal immigration is controlled by cartels the humanitarian thing to do would be control the human trafficking business by blocking their routes.


We need to secure our borders to prevent criminals and drugs out. It is our right and duty to protect our borders and citizens. I don't let just anybody into my home; nor should we let everyone into our country. I'm sorry people in other countries have terrible lives because of their lousy, greedy leaders. What do you think would happen if the hordes of people swarming our borders would instead, swarm their own government buildings?


National security is governments main purpose.


Most everyone I know in AZ and TX are for the wall, including legal immigrants. There appears to be proof that walls have slowed down illegal trafficing in AZ. People should come to the US legally. DHS and Border Patrol should enforce all our laws on the books to the fullest extent. That would help.


We have got to keep our country safe from all the drugs and killing of innocent people ! Plus we must keep the children safe !!


If anybody can come in this country and vote we are not safe


A country needs borders to protect itself


No. It's my understanding that most illegals in the US are here on expired work/school visas. Wall wouldn't help that. It is also my understanding that most border agents and private land owners near the boarders would prefer more boarder agents to work the border, as well as more tech (drones, night vision, etc.) to assist - and feel this would be better spent. It's not that I don't agree with secure borders, I just feel there are better ROIs with less . How about we jail people that employee illegals - or at least fine the crap out of them? If these rich bastards that hire illegals to save on labor expenses were to feel the bite, I bet they would stop hiring them and thus greatly reduce the souther border migration anyway.

I hear over-stayed visas are only 40%. It was mentioned on "Build the wall : Change My Mind" ( Louder with Crowder.)

@Limitmanjagers [] That might be right, according to this (6.5M from Mexico, 5.5M from everywhere else). Granted - 40% isn't most, but it is still many, and one HELLUVA LOT of illegals ( 1 ) that we know about ( 2 ) should have been booted out of country when their visa expired. I still argue that cost and ROI to address the 40% would be cheaper, easier to execute deportation against, and should already have procedures in place to address. Better boarder security is needed, but we have two oceans, a gulf, and a whole norther border that the wall won't address. Again, I think there are better, cheaper, and more effective ways to spend less money.

@jondspen see that's the thing. Ted Cruz wanted to use Chapos money to fund it. If this was every hypothetically possible, would you be on board?

@Limitmanjagers First - I was in Texas when Cruz was coming up - complete utter moron IMO (much like every other politician). Second - "If this was every hypothetically possible, would you be on board?" - Sorry, but I don't understand the question. Are you asking if we used El Chapos money, not US tax dollars, would I be on board? I would argue that the CIA and our War On Drugs put US tax dollars into El Chapos hands, both directly and indirectly. It is 1920's Prohibition Cluster Fucx Version 2.0 all over again. The drug cartels are violent, just like Capone and the mob during Prohibition. They came to power via drug money (alcohol is a drug), and remained a problem after Prohibition was repealed b/c they got rich and were able to branch out. I don't think a continued failed anti-drug policy is the answer to the cartel drug violence issue, which I assume you are tying into a need for the wall - to protect us from them. I esp. don't think trying to build a wall on a lake is the answer [] - so this actually reinforces my belief a wall would be less effective than more agents with better tech.


Something needs to be done I'm not sure a gazillion dollar super structure is that answer. With that as someone from the Southwest, who enjoys nature, hunting, and, fishing there are migration patterns of all sorts of animals to consider. The use of eminent domain troubles me. Not saying I have answers


I believe illegally entering a country should be reduced. I do believe that if people are already in the country and contributing they should have a means to apply to remain.


While there are very real steps that the government can take to address illegal immigration (ending birthright citizenship, requiring employer use of E-VERIFY, prohibiting welfare to non citizens and closing loopholes in our asylum process) the wall is the way to prevent drugs, human traffickers and other criminals/terrorists from entering the country.


Yes we need to protect our country and sovereignty and protect our children from terrorism and harm in the US, all the drugs coming in between the ports of entry...
Makes sense to me!!!


March 5, 2019, 1:37 PM CST
By Julia Ainsley

WASHINGTON — The number of undocumented immigrants crossing the southern border last month was the highest total for February in 12 years, according to statistics released by Customs and Border Protection on Tuesday.

In 28 days, and in the same month President Donald Trump declared a national emergency in order to build a border wall, 76,103 immigrants without the needed documentation to enter the U.S. either presented themselves at legal ports of entry or were apprehended by Border Patrol between ports of entry.

It is the highest total for February since 2007, DHS officials said at a press conference Tuesday. It is also the highest single month total since Trump was elected in November 2016. Crossings hit 66,842 in October 2016, just before Trump's election.

Still, February did not set an overall record for border traffic. Before 2008, monthly border crossings were consistently over 100,000, and were higher than 200,000 per month in 2000.

Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan attributed the rise to human smugglers knowing how to exploit loopholes in the American immigration system.

However, previous spikes in border traffic have often preceded crackdowns, such as the uptick that started just before Trump, who had campaigned on getting tough on immigration, was elected and continued till he was inaugurated. The announcement of a government spending deal to build a border wall on Feb. 15 may have precipitated a similar rush, as numbers had been steadily declining over December and January.
The proportion of immigrants crossing illegally by going between ports of entry, rather than presenting themselves at legal ports of entry, also increased in February, making up 87 percent of all undocumented immigrants stopped by CBP.

NBC News previously reported that more immigrants were growing frustrated with long lines to cross the border at legal entry points.


Being from California, I can say without a doubt, uncontrolled immigration is a big problem, many not known until it's too late. A Fence/Wall will help in keeping some control in that situation. But other things will need to be done as well.


When natural barriers fail it is up to us to build better barriers.


A barrier at our border is just common sense. I knew something was amiss when George W did not build it after 9/11. Whilst I was standing in long lines at airport security anyone at all could come into the country. And it turns our almost 20 years later we find Bush is a globalist.


Drug traffic already comes in through our ports of entry as expected given that it's primarily freight traffic. The other border problems (illegal immigration, human trafficing) can generally be accomplished along the remainder of the border. A physical barrier will help significantly in funneling these other issues the ports of entry. From there, we can apply greater scrutiny since it becomes a traffic bottleneck. Of course, this does assume that we increase manpower at these border crossings.

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