Let's make a hypothetical.
Let's suppose there is a man or woman somewhere who strongly believes that you should not be free.
A person who not only believes that you should not be free, but also believes that killing you is actually a good thing. A portal to heaven.
What do you do?
Regardless of outcome, someone is dead. There's not much option for conversion of this individual to a different peaceful outcome. So whether you lay down and accept death or resist, someone is dead. So any choice is personal upon which someone will have to accept responsibility for their actions. An indicator why societies trend towards violence. It would seem, it always has been so it will always be. We are inherently violent as a species. I guess one could surmise, the utopian leftist vision will never be achieved as there will always be someone who has to die for the vision to be achieved. Kinda dark, isn't it?
Beautifully dark. And yet, you are pointing the finger directly to human nature. You may be right on the money. But that is a self loathing statement nonthless. A statement which poses a problem that cannot be fixed (unless you allow eugenics to select humans who do not indulge in violent behaviour which poses all sorts of philosophical problems).
No. I am pointing the finger at a very specific religion. One which rewards its people for depriving others of their freedom. My point is not nearly as profound as yours. And contrary to yours, the problem I pose has a very easy, achievable solution and many bad, wasteful, self-proclaimed "containment measures" which serve no purpose at all.
@LeonardoFumarola I surmise that you are postulating, either the religion we can't name without being "racist", Islam or an identifiable group we can't name without being "racist", BLM. I'm going with Islam, there are lines written in the Q'uran that specifically say what you postulated.
Can you expand on the definition on the word freedom and what you mean by freedom when you use the word, please?
The abilty to say, write and do what one wants and desires so long as one's peers are not likely to be phisically harmed except that type of self-induced phisical harm that is rarely incurred by people who have a genetic predisposition who somatize their psychological distress.
@LeonardoFumarola What about the duties of one who has so much personal freedom? To make what you say possible, there must be national freedom and political freedom, before personal freedom can be practiced. So who secures that? What duties does a free man has? I mean freedom is not free.
National freedom is the freedom of an entity—a nation, even a tribe—to be independent of foreign control.
Political freedom includes the right to vote, to participate in the assembly, and to have a fair trial.
Individual freedom, the freedom to live as you choose as long as you harm no one else, includes freedom of thought and speech, as well as economic and religious freedom.
See what I mean? For you to enjoy your individual freedom, someone has to make sure there is political and national freedom as well. So, who's job is that? These days all I hear is people demanding more individual freedom but don't want any responsibilities that come with it. And they tend to ignore political and national freedom unless it directly concerns them.
What are your duties to secure freedom not just for yourself but for others in your country as well? Freedom can't be all privileges and not responsibilities. Because freedom does not come cheap and certainly is not free.
I operate on this assumption on a daily basis. I don't know who the person is but once they reveal themselves, I have a saying:
if I find a spider in my kitchen, I will kill it.
if I find a snake in my bathroom, I will kill it.
if I find a murderer in my vicinity, I will kill it.
Spiders are your friends. I am dead serious. Not joking.
Before arming yourself with an attitude, commendable as it may be, first you should disarm yourself of ignorance.
You should study that which you perceive as your enemy and find if it is indeed your enemy.
If its one person and I know they are completely serious about killing me?
Quietly make an arrangement where the action has a high likelihood of NOT being tracked back to me, or easily proven to have been done by me, and kill the guy.
I have no morals which include allowing someone to get the “first shot” at killing me.
So, there is no psych-ward, BAKER Act, or law enforcement in this hypothetical world?
No, cops are defunded already, remember?
@peterng25, Just because someone "believes" does not necessarily mean they will act on those beliefs. I would rationally discuss the issues with the person to find out why they believe this is the case, and try to persuade them to believe otherwise.
@DeplorableToo Rationally persuading a man who bases their belief system on a magical book, a magical prophet and a magical deity is Not likely to deliver the results you expect. What success rate justifies the risk? 10%? 1%? 0.1%?
This is not a workable solution. More like a dangerous waste of time.
@LeonardoFumarola who says his belief system is magical? Who defined it as such? You, the author of the story, or him, the guy who lives it as his reality? I would assume his belief system and diety is real, and work with that.
So...no rule of law in the list?
Quite the contrary. It's the protection of the system of law and order from a fanatical one.
I see a list of 3, which of the 3 is "the protection of the system of law and order from a fanatical one?" Please be specific.
Let's make a hypothetical.
Let's suppose there is a man or woman somewhere who strongly believes that you should not be free.
A person who not only believes that you should not be free, but also believes that killing you is actually a good thing. A portal to heaven.
You are thinking Muslim right?
that was my first thought also but them I remembered BLM fits that profile as well - and IMHO is a more prescient threat than Islam right now...at least in US Urban centers.
I was actually thinking about the dozen or so people on this site who deny the Holocaust, espouse Nazism, and claim that the world would be rid of evil if all Jews were killed. Or the white supremacists who walk around with loaded weapons and plot to kill anyone different. Or the Trump supporters who mail bombs to political opponents, or sit on a weapon stockpile fantasizing all day for a second civil war so they can go around killing anyone they disagree with. Or the "Christians" who think the Bible is the supreme law of the land and we should be a theocracy and all non-Christians should be thrown in jail or executed.
But I guess that's just me.
@JacksonNought I guess it is...