I completely agree with Styx here...who else is ready to shun the GOP?
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Republicans are the party of defense of the Constitution. As such, they are YOUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE of your rights.
Vote tampering, lockdowns, BLM... all the way back to the KKK are brought to you by the Democrats. And you want THEM to be your alternative??? Are you nuts?
TimTuolomne
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Dec 20, 2020
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Because we have a responsibility as citizens to engage in the process to the best of our ability. Checking out and taking our marbles with us is abdicating our responsibilities.
@tracycoyle is that what it is, "checking out"? I understand you're position but, is it as you think? It's an honest questions and I'm open to all opinions.
@MichelleD I do. We have a system that has functioned, with relative success for a long time that is morphing in ways many of us object to - the need is to become MORE involved/engaged, not less. Change can happen by purpose or by neglect and the Left has engaged in more purpose while the Left has been more neglectful. I think more and more people are waking up to the problems - note the 11.3 million MORE votes cast for Trump in 2020 vs 2016.
Was it Adams or Franklin that said "a Republic, if you can keep it" and "a system that requires a moral people". We have to fix what is broken, not just toss it on the trash heap and seek some new bling to replace it.
@tracycoyle I agree but ... hypothetically, what would happen if 1 million people unregistered?
@MichelleD effectively? Nothing, nationally. Locally, depends on the distribution. Ten million would have a national AND significant local impact - again, depending on the distribution.
The problem is one of "purpose". When the ACP was starting there was a major division between those that just wanted to support/propose candidates and those that wanted a principled foundation FIRST. The later won out in the ensuing debates with the former abandoning the fledgling all together.
Lots of different people support both the Dem and GOP - all of them, both sides, compromising to serve the larger goals. When people leave those two parties, they want their version to be the dominant and that is when you find out that there is very little that binds us, via principles.
@tracycoyle fair 'nough
I'm strongly opposed to anything other than a two party system. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer as to how we overhaul the Republican party, or whether we even call it that in the future. But there is no doubt in my mind it needs to to be disassembled and reconstructed, starting with a strong backbone.
coalburned
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Dec 20, 2020
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Best way to avoid swamp, start clean pond. It's advertising, which doesn't have to be expensive, holding small meetings, open to questions written out!
2FollowHim
Level 8
Dec 20, 2020
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I help to found the American Conservative Party in 2008 - it was like trying to push string with a herd of cats. Americans are not interested in a third party - even the Libertarian, which based on conversations I had over the years was/is? considered a joke.
A socially liberal, small government conservative WANTS something better than the GOP. I think the majority of Americans want a choice other than the binary GOP/DEM. But can't get past the lack of size: in other words, the party has to be big enough to warrant joining but it needs people to join to become big enough.
Oh, any 3rd party will be attacked by the GOP/DEM/MEDIA/ESTABLISHMENT with all the tools they have...which right now, is all of them.
tracycoyle
Level 8
Dec 20, 2020
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The Republican party started just before the Civil War. America has always been a two party system. But every once in a while a party is reincarnated in a new form. If any remnant of freedom and voting still remains I predict the GOP will be replaced by a more populist party.
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