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Political correctness is the real enemy these days. The black groups want to control our thinking and you can't say certain things. The homosexual groups don't want you to criticize them. It's thought control and freedom of speech control. (Ray Bradbury in 1994)

Stratslinger 7 Jan 17
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This that --- don't into the same identity politics that you're fighting.

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I heard ; once Trump steps down the MAGA hat/ gear was going to be banned like the confederate flag is now. It will be deemed racist. The audacity of these people.. they need to stop!

Except the Confederate flag isn't banned. You can still fly it if you want. You just can't fly it in a government context any more than you can fly the flag of any other of our former defeated enemies

@TheMiddleWay It is banned at NASCAR, major retail and online stores have banned the sale of any flags, clothing or hats with the confederate emblem. The Dukes of Hazzard’s The General Lee die cast replicas and model kits have been banned as well. The roof of the actual General Lee has been painted over because some cities would not grant permits to car shows if the General Lee was part of the exhibit.

@FEWI
Those are policy decisions by companies.

NASCAR racers and car show participants are still able to fly that flag, should they choose, within their own homes, personal cars, etc.
They may run afoul of nascar or the car show but there's no law prohibiting them from doing that.

And the general Lee diecasts are not banned. You can still buy them on eBay and certain stores, nor will you run a foul of the law should you own one.

You still have the right to display that flag on your own. What you don't have the right is to display it where other people don't want it. This is not banning in the sense that being caught with it on personal property will run you afoul of the law. This is literally free speech in action.

@TheMiddleWay. Whether it is banned commercially or legally, it is still banned.

@FEWI
So we agree that local bans are okay but government bans are not, that is long as it's individuals not wanting the flag on their premises it's okay but it's only if the government steps in that it's not.

@TheMiddleWay Sooo explain why some Southwestern State Schools fly the Mexican flag on school grounds, sometimes above the US Flag or just by itself...and yes we have defeated the Mexicans in past conflicts...besides, it matters not whether we defeated them or not.
You may want to parse policy over this or that, but all you are really doing is attempting to validate the idea that regardless of how we got here it is still okay to ban something as long as it wasn't done "officially." You can't walk through certain Chicago neighborhoods at night, or even in the day, without risk of losing your life. But hey, it's still a free country and nothing "officially" is keeping you from doing it, so why don't you go for a walk...

@Genghis
Are you saying that I cannot prohibit the Confederate flag in my own home? That if someone enters waving that flag, I have no right to ask them to put that flag away or leave my premises?

Because if that's not what you're saying, then the exercise of free speech means that on my personal property and my private business I can allow or disallow any flag I want, including the American flag.

@TheMiddleWay No, we don’t “agree” and no, it’s not okay.

@FEWI
Really? So if I entered your home with a communist Marxist flag, you would have absolutely no right to ask me to put that flag away or kick me out of your home?

@TheMiddleWay No If YOU entered my home , I would slap your ass full of buckshot for trespassing. It’s legal where I live. The flag would be irrelevant

@FEWI
Suppose you invite me into your home and I choose to wear a communist Marxist t-shirt. Would you be within your right to demand that I not wear that t-shirt or be kicked out?

Suppose you run a business and one of your employees is wearing a communist Marxist t-shirt would you be allowed to demand that that employee not wear that t-shirt at work or they would be fired?

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I believe at the heart of PC is the notion that speech should be respectful, in agreement or disagreement, and not use words based on denigration and/or hate.

For example, it is no longer PC to call a black person a "nigger" or a homosexual a "faggot" at any time.
It is no longer PC to call a woman "sweetheart" or a man "asshole" in a work environment

Is that thought and speech control or is that merely being respectful of that individual?

How do we differentiate between "respectful speech" and "PC speech"?

If we had stayed "at the heart" few people would have a problem!!! The fact that people are offended buy just about everything has become the problem!!!
"nigger" can be heard quite frequently, in Black conversations, it is only dis-respectful if said by a non black!!!!
When I grew up, off colored name calling, in jest, was normal!!!! When not in "jest" someone would have a fat lip or bloody nose, also normal!!!! WE dealt with it!!!!
Grow a set and get over it!!!

@Serg97
I agree that it gets out of hand when everything is offensive.

But the "older" generation (of which I'm a part of) had no problem with nigger or faggot being spoken by non-blacks and non-homos. As such, our foundation is a lot more... dare I say... liberal when it comes to those words.

But those times are gone. We can't expect blacks to 'get over" being called nigger nor homos to "get over" being called faggot. I'm of the opinion that it is us, our generation, that has to get over that... the people who used it, maybe not you nor I, but our people did use it to dengrate blacks and homos and thus it is our generation that should lead the way to stop it.

Again, it gets overboard when a person demands that we use special pronouns and such. But honestly, is THAT even a bad thing? We all ahve names that we'd like people to use that are not our birth names... "dick" for Richard... "Sam" for Samantha... "Beth" for elizabeth. Wouldn't we come off as total assholes if a person asked us to call them "Sam" and you insisted on Samantha because "Well, sweetheart, Samantha is your name after all!"?

When your rights disregard my rights: In an interpersonal and legal sense, your rights end where my rights begin.

@TheMiddleWay Where do you draw the line? What if I insisted that people call me 'your highness'. It's my right to decide how I want to be addressed but if the shoe were on the other foot, I would be pretty pissed off if let's say, my sister or friend insisted I call them that. It's a slippery slope. I don't care for being called 'sweetheart' by some person that I don't know but I just tell myself that it's better than being called a bitch. Just move on and get over it. Life is too short. In my opinion, we're enabling, allowing & in some cases, encouraging the younger generations to be over sensitive babies who don't know how to 'get over it'. I can't see the long term benefits of this as being really great. IMO

@kipmax
What have I lost, how am I damaged, by calling you your highness as opposed to kipmax?
If you start asking me to pay you taxes or to worship you then obviously that is a line you cannot demand of anybody else... But simply calling you one thing instead of another, simply using words, I see absolutely no problem with.

Just move on and get over it.

but that advice also works towards a person asking you to call them "your highness". Just move on, call them what they want to be called, and get over it.

After all, aren't we the ones being overly sensitive if someone asks them to call them something and we refuse?

I get your thoughts & we should just be respectful, some are not or some feel people are not due to how they perceive or think...my thought is “the government” shouldn’t govern our thoughts & free speech or free expression ever even when trying to control rude people...sometimes people get offended...freedom of speech should never be pecked away at under any government or any circumstance even hate speech...it sucks of course but is part of a true free speech or expression society! Imo😜

I've been called names yet I don't get offended - I ignore the comments. People need to grow balls and remember "sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never harm me"
But there are far too many little snowflakes as a result of indoctrination within the "education" system by those pushing their snowflake agenda, and their snowflake parents.

@Tan4
and mercifully, today, at least in the USA, the government doesn't do this.
I can still call blacks niggers, I can still call homosexuals fagots.
But that does not absolve me from the professional, political, or personal repercussions from having done so.

I can’t call a guy an asshole at work? Now, I have an issue.

@Jmann44492403
You can. But if that guy is your boss, don't complain when you get fired. 😂😂

@TheMiddleWay I’m a little (VERY little) smarter than that, my boss is a female, and I wouldn’t dream of referring to her by anything other than her name. But thanx for the advice.

@TheMiddleWay you can wave the white flag on this if you like, but the rest of us are going to stand for our ability to say what we like without being persecuted by some snowflake that is perpetually offended. Times may change, but the idea that we must limit our ability to speak freely for some is antithetical to what America stands for and what is enshrined in our Constitution, and before you go there I am not advocating that we run around calling people names regardless of the word being used. The left loves calling ANYONE who does not agree with them a racist, a word that was used as a descriptor is now used as a pejorative. It is used freely even on people of color and have no history of racism, all for one purpose to shut them up. Which is exactly what the PC culture is attempting to do. For someone who lived under Pinochet rule I would think you of all people would understand what persecution looks like, and where it will lead, or did all you really learn was that as long as we agree with you it is alright. Otherwise, everyone else is a bunch of rubes who deserve to be called racist and told to shut up…

@Genghis
You are still free to say whatever you want, nigger, faggot, whatever. The government won't stop you.
But you are never free from non-governmental consequences of calling someone a nigger or a fagot.

During the rule of pinochet, no speech was banned. We could say whatever we wanted. We could criticize the government as much as we wanted. However, we were not free from the consequences of our speech there either.

@TheMiddleWay in keeping my sense of humor LMAO!
Sooo, that is quite a parse job there...let's see:
After his rise to power, Pinochet persecuted leftists, socialists, and political critics, resulting in the executions of from 1,200 to 3,200 people,[16] the internment of as many as 80,000 people, and the torture of tens of thousands.[17][18][19] According to the Chilean government, the number of executions and forced disappearances was 3,095.[20]

Yes, it was rainbows and unicorns in Pinochet land, you could say whatever you wanted. I am sure those poor 3,095 souls officially counted as victims of such a wonderful free environment might have a word or two with you about that. Unofficially there is well over 80,000 folks who might have a differing view of how free their ability to speak truly was...SMH

[16] "Chile under Pinochet – a chronology". The Guardian. London. 24 March 1999. Retrieved 10 March 2010.
[17] "National Commission for Truth and Reconciliation" (aka the "Rettig Report" ). 1 May 1990. – via United States Institute of Peace.
[18] 2004 Commission on Torture Archived 5 May 2006 at the Wayback Machine (dead link)
[19] "Chile to sue over false reports of Pinochet-era missing". Latin American Studies. 30 December 2008. Retrieved 10 March 2010.
[20] Former Chilean army chief charged over 1973 killing of activists. The Guardian. 8 July 2016.

@TheMiddleWay You're exactly right and that was my point. I would be pissed off if someone expected me to call them 'your highness' but at the end of the day, that's my problem not anyone else's. I'm the only one who can control how I feel, act or react. BUT it's 'putting the shoe on the other foot' that stops us in our tracks and makes us think "wait as second. How would I feel if someone called me that or expected me to address them by something as outrageous as 'your highness'?

But you're welcome to call me Your Highness if you like 😀 .

@Genghis

After his rise to power, Pinochet persecuted leftists, socialists, and political critics, resulting in the executions of from 1,200 to 3,200 people,[16] the internment of as many as 80,000 people, and the torture of tens of thousands.[17][18][19] According to the Chilean government, the number of executions and forced disappearances was 3,095.[20]
Yes, it was rainbows and unicorns in Pinochet land, you could say whatever you wanted. I am sure those poor 3,095 souls officially counted as victims of such a wonderful free environment might have a word or two with you about that. Unofficially there is well over 80,000 folks who might have a differing view of how free their ability to speak truly was...SMH

All true.
As true as the fact that no speech was banned in Chile during this time

@TheMiddleWay Man you have got one thin sharp razor blade to split that very thin hair...
More concerning is that you actually found that time period to be all rainbows and unicorns, unless you have had a change of mind, I hope you still enjoy Chile as I'm thinking it is quite different since things became a little less deadly. WoW!

@Genghis
Chile is very different in some ways and the same in others. One of the big differences is that under our authoritarian dictatorship, as you pointed out people went to prison for all manner of reasons, criminal or political. In distinction, we've now overcompensated where our liberal judges allow criminals to ransack houses and commit crimes and get off scot-free lest they incur the wrath of the political left.

The pendulum swung far right under Pinochet; the pendulum swung far left after.

@TheMiddleWay ain't it the way...

@TheMiddleWay...here in Canada our freedom of expression is slowly & surely being pecked away at...such a dangerous slippery slop on freedom!!🤬😳😒

@Tan4
By your government? 😱😱😱

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“Political Correctness” was a “Real Enemy” the day it entered Our Daily Lexicon as an Actual Phrase.
Hypocrisy is an Enemy whether its suddenly supported socially or not.

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