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I have a core belief that there are inherent inalienable rights. I believe these are derived from God. Others may say they are natural laws.
As part of this belief, I believe they are not inventions of people, but simply are. Nor can they be set aside because of inconvenience. They are simply truth that has always existed and will always will exist.
I would be interested in other points of view and why they feel the way they do.

Peelsr 5 Feb 23
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I may be taking an overly philosophical and interpretive view of this, but I feel that there are very few inalienable rights. Really, possibly only the one. The pursuit of happiness. All others can, and often are taken away. By people, governments, by a simple bad hand of life.

    It is only the intrinsic qualities that are truly inalienable. Your emotions, outlook and reactions to all the other things. This is not to say the alienation is just, or righteous. It's a tragedy, undoubtedly, but, it is nonetheless.
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What rights do you believe in?

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The only “ right “ or truth you are born with. Individuality and thoughts. Because those cannot be take away from you. Everything else is shaped and molded externally. You will always be an individual and the way your thoughts travel will always be tied to your individual brain. None of us are the same. There are no rights after that. Not even a right to live because that too can be taken away. It’s what man has taken and then adopted causing influence over time. Ie. The “feeling” one might have that they have a right to live. Nature doesn’t give a shit about rights or you. And just to say it.. neither does any god.

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Yes, I see the 'right' rights as created as an abstraction of God. Truth has certainly always existed, yet is not articulated completely. The thing is we have to go through many trials and errors to find such paths in a dense forest towards the Castle. Paths that have a chance of going off in a bad direction at any point, but the further down the path, the less likely it is to be misguided because of the actualization or visibility of the Castle.

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Though we do have rights as humans on a world scale...some basic stuff...I don't feel we actually have any naturally. Without the construct of things like the UN and stuff, theres nothing that we have an absolute right to.
Take free speach, for example...that can be taken at any time by the government.
Are there any rights we have that we wouldnt have to fight for? Like...if they were natural and God given, then we shouldn't have to fight for them. They should be impossible to take away by an authority.

Great point. I think that there is a distinction between organizational or societal rights that are ascribed to the individual, and the actual rights that a person has as an individual unit regardless of circumstance. This distinction is often blurred and confused

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I have always found the idea of "Natural Rights" to be a creation of civilization. In nature, we may find some types of social structures that we have perfected and through that we have agreed upon certain structures.

I am not sure I believe in God, certainly not an Abrahamic God. I do believe in rights, but I am not naive enough to think that is ever enough to ensure them. If I have a right to something, someone equally has the ability to supress it. That black and white, front and back.. I believe has always existed.

Just curious....Why "certainly not an Abrahamic God"?

Black and white, front and back...is a great start for believing because it sure looks like this place was put together with that theory, probably for longevity. Ying and Yang forever.

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I don’t think that anything is derived from god but if that’s what your confortable I have no problem with that.

Where do you think it came from, all that we have?

@7sails I think the universe came from the Big Bang.

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I don't think any rights are derived from any god or they always just were. Looking back thru history, civilization has had many different "rights" and things have evolved over time from the most strictest of dictator type rule to the more people oriented style of the USA. IMO, if those were derived from God or were just inherit by nature it wouldn't have taken so long for us together to this point. To me, our right come from people looking at the world and taking the ways they would want time treated then extending that kind of gesture towards others. At any point people could change their belief and what is considered "rights" would take a drastic change with the society.

The right to be here is pretty much what you've got, our inalienable right from God.

@7sails I don't believe that either. Got no reason to believe in a god.

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I stare at a wall until the truths come in a form obvious to everyone

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I suppose you need to define what is a "right", first. Many think we have a right to life, for example, but that does not mean that someone else cannot take that right away.

God, of course, is the first cause. The Creator, and yes, He, by right of creation determines definitions, Laws, and Truth.

Good point, calling it something doesn't make it valid to the dead guy.

I usually use a two question test to determine if an activity or expression is a right vs a privilege.

  1. Does this activity/expression apply to all?
  2. Does it place any positive obligation on another? In other words, does anyone need to do anything for one to express the activity in question?
    If the answer to #1 is yes and to #2 no, it can be considered a right. Test this against the Bill of Rights to see if they all pass. Rights need not be granted by superhuman entities, merely not taken away by other humans.
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When I see one country that for the most part respects individual liberty, and then see another country that oppresses its citizens, I'm not inclined to believe my rights come from a god-like being but rather decided upon by my fellow human beings. It is a constant fight to keep our rights intact, and I strongly believe that the instant we give up on said fight is the instant our rights will vanish and possibly permanently. In the end though, it's perfectly fine to believe as you may if it gives you the strength to carry on, so all good.

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