In my humble opinion.
This is quite a debacle concerning our southern border. The difference in opinions reminds me of an on ramp to a freeway. The state gives us a long, shallow, curved approach so we can build up our speed to match the speed and flow of traffic. If we concentrate on "doing good" and matching the speed, we have no problem sliding into traffic, but if we concentrate on what "feels good", by driving 45 mph, because we think it's safer, all it does is ball up traffic, and it forces people to do things they normally wouldn't do. Do we listen to the professionals (police) when they say "build up your speed to match the flow of traffic" or do we choose that "feel good" we'll drive slower, because we think it's safer, no matter what the experts say, approach?
I look at the approach to the freeway as I do our laws, which is something you should do for the better of all around you. If we listen to the professionals, we "do good" for all those around us. Those that do what "feels good" instead of what the professionals say sometimes cause problems for other people. Affirmative action is another of those "feel good" attempts that falls short. Forcing the minorities into schools that have lowered their admittance levels without lowering their academic standards causes financial and academic failure.
Forcing someone to cross our borders illegally only creates more illegal tendencies. People crossing our borders will need assistance. They can't just hold up their hand to get government assistance. The only way for them to get assistance is to get a SS card, which they have to get illegally, because they are not US citizens. Then they go to the government officials, and sign their names, knowing the information given is falsified, which is also illegal, and so on, and so on. The only way I see to help these people is to bring them in legally, so they don't have to circumvent the law.
The semantics in Washington ( "wall vs physical barrier" ) is nothing but an example of adult adolescence. We as a country spend $1.10175 trillion every 3 months for normal budget expenses.
$5.6 billion will do what the professionals say is needed. That's 1 tenth of one percent of our annual budget. So $5.6 billion of $4.407 trillion. To simplify, that's $56 dollars out of $440,700. To "feel good" or to "do good" is the question here. The majority of the electorate voted for Trump and his proposals he gave in his campaign. He promised to secure the southern border, and he's trying to do that. Now that the temperature is warming the trek these people will invest in may cost more lives. On that aspect alone I don't understand the "feeling good" crowd. This dismisses our nation's sovereignty, and therefore, force people to do things they normally wouldn't do. I would rather "do good".
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.In my area Lanc Co Pa...there are enclaves of hispanic immigrants...many illegal/not a word of English..that work landscaping/service industry etc. But for every working male there are several kids and the mom getting social welfare.benefits ( see them use SNAP cards)..1 minimum wage earner cannot support a family!. BUT I see Help Wanted signs EVERYWHERE for mostly blue collar skilled Labor...something these illegals are NOT. If we had Enforced E verify . It would discourage more unskilled illegals. But WE NEED WORKERS...I'm all for Guest Worker Visas once we stop the DELUGE at the Boarder. The Asylum system is also a joke!
Foxtail
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Mar 30, 2019
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Skill is not something you are born with. It is something taught and encouraged. Blue collars doesnt mean native instinctive ability. Every bluecollar you know probably started with a broom and a pair of boots.
Well, i know here in central texas, that the new real estate economy is almost completely driven off of immigrant labor.
I don't see a bunch of welfare driven latinos gassing up on coffee and tacos every morning to go hang out at the foodbanks.
They are slaving on homes so that people with more money can buy the fruits of the immigrants labor.
Then once the furniture and computer get hooked up and settled in place. The new owners go, " there is too much illegal immigration!" And turn a blind eye to the daily efforts of the people building the community around them.
It is sad, demeaning and disgusting to watch this dichotomy of behavior.
CuriousFury
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Mar 30, 2019
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Well stated...Same is true in Pa....tons of Immigrant laborers...Mostly very diligent . But you get a few bad apples in every bushel. I'm in favor of companies hiring Guest Visa holders...Legally. And after so many years w/o any criminal record they can apply for citizenship IF they learn OUR LANGUAGE/ English. But the current Deluge of illegals thru Southern boarder is INSANE.
@Foxtail i want to agree with you. In my heart. But the yourh have not been replacing the labor gsps in the skilled trades for years and now we do not have the bluecollars like our parents and grandparents generations had.
Everyone wants to run around for an hour playing with a ball. No one wants to run around fof 8+ playing with a tapemeasure.
The "collegiate elite" make up this word menial labor, like it is below them, but they can't do anything themselves without wifi and a checkbook.
Refering to the labors that constitute the foundation of our society as a derogatory demeaning position is just a way for a government indentured servant ti feel better about the assfucking that they signed up for with loans in college.
If a college education was so valuable why is there such a sprint to sell a class textbook the moment the class is over?
I don't see menial labor selling hammer and saw after every project.
So we need immigrant labor efforts because gen x to gen z are fucking scared to sweat, unless maybe 2times a week in the gym to look more narcissistic.
@CuriousFury Hopefully Mike Rowe and alike are trying to persuade more gen x /z that a 60K investment in a 4 yr Liberal Arts degree is NOT worth it. The Trades salary is double what a History major makes at Starbucks! And we need more TV shows like Home Improvements!!!LOL
I always thought it rather odd that those illegals who say they come for a better life, free from crime and violence, that the first thing they do when coming here is to violate the law themselves in the country from which they expect justice and "the rule of law". It tells about a mindset the goes like this: "When I violate the law, its OK. It is bad only if Others violate the law."
I agree with you full-heartedly. I had to follow the law and it took me many years until I got US citizenship. And now the Democrats what to give illegal people the right to vote in local elections. Holy macaroni.
fano
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Mar 30, 2019
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Do you think revisiting our legalization methods is warranted? Maybe Its too hard--takes too long. Maybe, ppl break the law because it's just too cumbersome.
JLas:
@chuckpo I do agree with change in the immigration policies. Cost and timeframes are the most important. Anyone wanting to immigrate to the US should know our laws, language to a point of ease and our history. All this takes time in learning so I'm not sure where we could gain much.
This will give them pride in accomplishment and removes any hyphens before the American name. They should want to be Americans under one flag. Duel loyalty has never worked. They also need to remember who they are. Not losing their own heritage as it has been for over 2 hundred years. Many cultures while all are American.
@JLas, nothing in there to disagree with, though there may be some wiggle room on time, I think. I definitely think assimilation has been framed poorly by those with a questionable agenda. Well, the won the narrative on it. Common values are what binds a society. I think we see plenty of evidence that what happens when we create a hundred little countries (intersectionality as a whole) within our country isn't good. On a side note, whose bone-headed idea was that, anyway? Clearly didn't have their eye on the big picture, because that ideal is simply sociologically irresponsible. I'm sure this was unintentional in the search for new sources of power and votes, but now we can see the result, and those people are still forcing something that won't work and at its worst could pull the entire country apart. I'm pretty much a soft one-language, America-first guy. If you want to be American, I'm all for you. If you want to be something else--everything else--and try to make this country into the country you left, I'm not going to support that.
A conversation we'll need to have one day is how we unilaterally dumped our values in the attack on Christianity. That wasn't well thought out. Should have had values to replace the ones we were dumping...
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