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"The First International adopted a resolution composed by Marx: “The Congress regards the tendency of contemporary industry to draw on the labor of children and juveniles of both sexes in the great task of social production as a progressive, sound and lawful tendency, though under the rule of capitalism it turns into a terrible evil. In a rationally organized society, each child from the age of nine ought to be a productive worker.”

lawrenceblair 8 Aug 14

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Unsurprisingly as we have inched towards "communism" by steadily expanding socialism or a administrative state competency has steadily declined. If you need proof that the concept of competency is almost alien to modern bureaucracies look no further than affirmative action. Immutable or supposedly immutable characteristics such as race, gender, sexual preference and even political predisposition are seen as more important than competence. A bit of that can be seen in the idea that nine years olds are or could be competent workers in complex industrial settings. Most certainly in the idea that the tragedy of the commons is a capitalistist myth.

Private property is something of a myth. The state even in a capitalist country requires proof of competency through property taxes and various regulations. Those who cannot meet those tests will lose their property. That property however will not be held by the state but passed on to the competent. The ability to prove competence through some limited degree of productivity assures that a minimum of meritocracy is preserved. The state for the most part has no means for demonstrating competence. The failure of scholastic achievement as a measure of competence was demonstrated to be inadequate by China more than 2000 years ago.

Communism is basically the rejection of productivity as the foundation of civilization. The only way to measure productivity is within a hierarchy of competency and meritocracy. If the meritocracy works ownership is the reward for competency.

Of course it is expected that most citizens will display a level competency sufficient for them to own some property. A home, a car etc. On the other hand it is understood that no amount of competency justifies monopolies or the accumulation of wealth through the advantages illustrated by the Mathew principle. At some scale no one can be a competent manager of property or resist the temptations that come from great property holdings. Just as with property taxes the state must have the power to limit monopolies to properly redistribute the rewards of competency.

Societies are extremely complex and that is why free markets are necessary. While free markets are not efficient in the short run they allow for productivity to be measured over the long run without the prejudices and the limited intellect of bureaucrats getting in the way.


... except his child...


back to the mines & factories kids you are expendable Human Resources

the delusional marxist socialist democrats never learned history so they have no idea that the hammer & sickle mean manual labor for the collective and the incentive for the hard work is the enjoyment of being a contributor to that collective. You will own nothing and be happy 2030 coming to you soon. Some sooner than others.


"ought" and "should" is going too far.
But, should children learn to work from an early age and learn that it is a NATURAL aspect of life and not always drudgery or a punishment? YES!
I'd like to see kids work an hour+ a day along with their school work. Obviously, most work should be in their parents' house and yard - and raising food.
Most men now in their 80s grew up having jobs outside of the home - such as a paper route or delivering items and I think most started by age 12.
Yes, there is a lot of room for abuse anytime you involve naive ones, but work is part of life and should be taught early on. Japanese children, for example, must clean their classrooms from a very early age. This helps them appreciate cleanliness and the effort that goes into keeping a space clean.


Child labour was common in history and certainly Industrial Revolution did not shy away from using children as workers. There is a lot that can be said about that. However its important the intent of criticism is not hiding alternative agendas and like everything with Karl Marx or lefties, its always hiding some sinister alternative agenda.

In Das Kapital; Marx has used Children as argument against what he called capitalism. He never cared about children and their needs, including his own, but like all lefties after him, he understood the value of using children as a weapon, weather its to assert narratives in the name of children "think of the children" or use children as human shield in conflict zone or war. children were also particularly useful as spies to rat out on their parents and class mates. And off course children were part of all kinds of indoctrination camps to make sure new generation starts as loyal to the collective, to the party.

This was common in other regimes to various degrees. National Socialism for example

The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

21 The State must protect health standards by

protecting mothers and infants
stopping children from working
making a law for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and
upporting sports clubs for young men.

....and yest we all know about Hitler's Youth Camps and Himmlers nurseries.

Karl Marx and Engles in their infamous Communist Manifesto wrote:

"Proletarians and Communists", the second section, starts by stating the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class. The communists' party will not oppose other working-class parties, but unlike them, it will express the general will and defend the common interests of the world's proletariat as a whole, independent of all nationalities. The section goes on to defend communism from various objections, including claims that it advocates communal prostitution or disincentivises people from working. The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands—among them a progressive income tax; abolition of inheritances and private property; abolition of child labour; free public education; nationalisation of the means of transport and communication; centralisation of credit via a national bank; expansion of publicly owned land, etc.—the implementation of which would result in the precursor to a stateless and classless society."

Manifesto Excerpt

It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto...

...the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths.

Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois (middle-upper class/owner of property) family, based? On capital, on private gain.

The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.

“There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality..."

The proletariat (lower worker class) will use its political supremacy to wrest (remove), by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State...

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic (authoritarian) inroads (attacks) on the rights of property...

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

  3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank...

  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

  8. Equal liability (responsibility) of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form.


“The Communist Manifesto as political rhetoric has an almost biblical force. Seventy years after Marx’s death, one third of the human race lived under regimes ruled by communist parties which claimed to represent his ideas and realise his aspirations.” ― Eric Hobsbawm, How to Change the World: Marx and Marxism 1840-2011

“It is astonishing that Communism has been writing about itself in the most open way, in black and white, for 125 years, and even more openly, more candidly in the beginning. The Communist Manifesto, for instance, which everyone knows by name and which almost no one takes the trouble to read, contains even more terrible things than what has actually been done. It is perfectly amazing. The whole world can read, everyone is literate, yet somehow no one wants to understand. Humanity acts as if it does not understand what Communism is, as if it does not want to understand, is not capable of understanding.” ― Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Warning to the West

I think Alexander Solzhenitsyn, in his Warning to the West speech summarized communism well.

“Communism is as crude an attempt to explain society and the individual as if a surgeon were to perform his delicate operations with a meat ax. All that is subtle in human psychology and in the structure of society (which is even more complex), all of this is reduced to crude economic processes. The whole created being—man—is reduced to matter. It is characteristic that Communism is so devoid of arguments that it has none to advance against its opponents in our Communist countries. It lacks arguments and hence there is the club, the prison, the concentration camp, and insane asylums with forced confinement.”

“Therein lies the true essence of Marxism. ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs’ only ever works with a gun in your hand." ― Philip Kerr, Prussian Blue

“Marxism is not necessarily what Karl Marx wrote in Das Kapital, also called Capital. A Critique of Political Economy, but whatever it is that all the warring sects believe, who claim to be the faithful. From the gospels you cannot deduce the history of Christianity, nor from the Constitution the political history of America. It is Das Kapital as conceived, the gospels as preached and the preachment as understood, the Constitution as interpreted and administered, to which you have to go.” ― Walter Lippmann, Public Opinion

“Hence a communist society would have a new ethical basis. It has been claimed – by Lenin among others – that Marxism is a scientific system, free from any ethical judgements or postulates. These are the essential points of ‘the first Marxism’. It is manifestly not a scientific enterprise in the sense in which we understand science today. Its theories are not derived from detailed factual studies, or subjected to controlled tests or observations.” ― Anonymous


Marx wanted to abuse children for profit.

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