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Another Thomas Paine quote about 'tradition' and it's place in governance:

“Every age and generation must be as free to act for itself in all cases as the age and generations which preceded it. The vanity and presumption of governing beyond the grave is the most ridiculous and insolent of all tyrannies. Man has no property in man; neither has any generation a property in the generations which are to follow.

Every generation is, and must be, competent to all the purposes which its occasions require. It is the living, and not the dead that are to be accommodated. When man ceases to be, his power and his wants cease with him; and having no longer any participation in the concerns of this world, he has no longer any authority in directing who shall be its governors, or how its government shall be organised, or how administered.

Those who have quitted the world, and those who have not yet arrived at it, are as remote from each other as the utmost stretch of mortal imagination can conceive. What possible obligation, then, can exist between them- what rule or principle can be laid down that of two nonentities, the one out of existence and the other not in, and who never can meet in this world, the one should control the other to the end of time?

The circumstances of the world are continually changing, and the opinions of men change also; and as government is for the living, and not for the dead, it is the living only that has any right in it. That which may be thought right and found convenient in one age may be thought wrong and found inconvenient in another. In such cases, who is to decide, the living or the dead?”

tracycoyle 8 Feb 2
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While I think I understand the reaction to a burdensome or tyrannical tradition, here Paine throws out the baby with the bathwater, as the saying goes. Of course we need not be irrationally enslaved to any tradition, but neither should we simply reject all tradition. After all, some traditions persist because they are good traditions, traditions which have come about at great cost and have been tried and proven, traditions which may be tweaked and improved upon but which should still be held onto and even fought for. For example, the traditions upon which the U.S constitutional republic are founded are worth retaining and fighting for, traditions enshrined in our Constitution, which has a mechanism for amendment precisely because that same tradition includes within it the notion that we will need to improve upon it, recognizing that each generation stands on the shoulders of those that have gone before and need not reinvent the wheel but only make it better serve them in their own circumstances.

To my mind, only a fool wants to uncritically cut himself off from every tradition that has come before. I doubt Paine was such a fool, and I suspect that he would sound more level-headed if I were able to read all that he had to say on the subject. But, as the quote above stands, I cannot agree with it. I will leave other disagreements or criticisms that could be made -- such as the foolish lack of concern for succeeding generations -- for another time perhaps. I will just finish by observing that I believe there are moral absolutes, and, where there are moral absolutes, there will always be a tradition that needs to be retained, for these absolutes -- and the traditions formed by them -- will of necessity outlive every generation.

I spent a fair amount of time on 'traditions' in Assertion. I think traditions should be respected - however, not codified (ie put into law). Remember slavery and chattel property were also traditions with long histories and codified. I start with individual rights and liberties - interfere with those, even if the tradition is long held and 'morally correct' and you will find me opposing. And yes, I do demand those liberties conform to the responsibility of respecting OTHERS rights and liberties. Generally, so did Paine. Unfettered, uncontrolled (self) liberty is not liberty.

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