I don''t hate or see any religion as an issue, but I am concerned over freedom of expression being OK for one faith, and suppressed for others.

Not OK Not Cool

The right to open criticism is ok, The right to violence and oppression is never ok.

Separation of church and state also requires the state to keep its grubby mitts off religion.

Its a two way street IMHO

Oh, well good to know you view my beliefs in kindness , justice, charity, and general goodwill as a blight. I so feel on the right side with you

This was a discussion about possible reasons for the Christchurch Event. 7 day Ban. I argued with FB that they can’t differentiate between the Truth and their biased Left stance on free speech. Still they maintained the Ban. So glad I found IDW.

The word islamophobia is an interesting one. It is to often assumed to be hatred on muslims...... what is missed is i think the appropriate meaning, fear of islam. I do fear islam, i fear its growth and how society must tiptoe around it.

Islam is not a religion of peace. Ask yourself if i were to burn a quran, talk ill of muhammed or in fact even draw the prophet....... would i be safe?

Is this what muslims want? To live amongst as subservants to their sensitivities?

Unfortunately society will continue to wash away opinions as mine as xenophobic, bigoted or racist........ i don't hate the individuals. I hate the ideas

Demonizing any religion is fine until your so successful that it starts going the other way. Better to become non dual..

Just so we are all on the same page, Islam is the only religion that I am aware of that literally requires a "good muslim" to commit violence. If you havent actually read the Quran, then you probably should, I did, because its important to understand what all the criticism is all about. I was not happy when i got through that book, it requires the slaughter of everyone who does not convert, it teaches all children are born muslim, and i do mean all, violence against women and children is part of being a good muslim, lying to infiltrate the enemy is encouraged, do as they do... The defense of Islam and the name of the profit requires murder, trying to leave it requirea murder, religion of peace my fukin ass, there is only one Quran, and all of their books say the same exact thing that mine does, and its not what most of you think it is. In my opinion after reading it i believe its a bunch of shit, written by a pedophile, rapist, and murderer. They will start by moving here, its all very peaceful at first, but they are encouraged to convert as many as possible, have as many children as possible, grow the islamic population, and when the numbers are there to then apply force with violence, its all there in the bible. Its become taboo Dewal because to criticize islam, REQUIRES a violent reaponse, meaning its not fukin optional, and to spot light the very things i just mentioned will result in being called a racist, which is apparently being used a while fukin lot here lately. So apparently the idea is to just not rock the boat, don't encourage more violence by calling these "cultural differences" but what they really are, assault, murder, rape, oppression of women, that fukin list goes on and on. I think we have gotten so far away from holding people accountable for their actions, and allow the politicaly correct to guide all that we do and think thats its prob too late to fix. Words by themselves DO NOT, AND NOR HAVE THEY EVER caused harm to anyone, and that includes inciting violence on every level. If someone hears some words they don't like, and reacts with any type of physical violence, they should experience consequenses, no two ways about it. And anyone who can't handle hearing words they don't like, don't listen, its pretty easy, but seems to be complicated for a lot, shutting down speeches, labeling it hate speech and trying to silence it, is a big part of the problem, all these people now terrified to mention even one of the things i have mentioned. That shit needs to be called out for what it is, and anyone who can't hear it, without becoming violent, in my opinion isnt mature enough for the coversation, and should keep their fukin mouth shut. And calling out a religion for its utter fukin nonsense, isnt racist, has nothing to do with race, muslims come in all different colors and creeds, and its certainly nit religious persacution, i have no issue with any religion that could help some one to be a better person, to help those who can not help themselves, to make the world a better place..l unfortunetley islam, doesnt fukin ro any of those things.

Why do you see religion is a blight upon humanity?

Brenton Harrison Tarrant's attack on the worshipers at the mosque sparked appropriate outrage from the worldwide community.
Meanwhile, it's "business as usual" for the followers of "the prophet". Little or outrage. The world has become complacent.

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Spot on, except the part about all religions being a blight on humanity. Nonetheless, that’s another discussion, so I’d simply add that in the spirit of preserving and protecting our right to criticize religions, we should always use a measure of tact when doing so. As in, save the scathing criticisms of Mohammed until after their holy month is over kind of thing, moderate the level of attack to the emotionality of the person you’re dealing with, and so on ..

The NZ attacks were heinous and tragic. But they were only one of many recent heinous and tragic events. We have a media selling the hell out of this one though. Why?

1. Because NZ fits the gun control agenda

2. Because the Leftist media is attacking the 1st Amendment via censorship of "Islomophobia"

Why is there nary a blip on the national headlines about this:

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Because it does not fit the agenda of attacking the 1st and or 2nd Amendments. Change my mind.

Agreed. The important thing to always remember is that we are discussing, criticising, analysing or even condemning ideas, and not people. We must also not "tar everyone with the same brush" as that takes us down the deplorable world of identity politics which just leads to divisiveness and meaningless conflict.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who identifies themselves as an ideologue has already closed their mind!

I have already seen a post (on another site) which has suggested that one of the mosques in New Zealand had produced a couple of Jihadis that were later killed in Yemen. Whether that is true or not, it would never justify the murder of other innocent people. They don't see the double standard that is involved in claiming unfairness when linking all politically right leaning folks with the madman in New Zealand but then, at the same time, linking all muslims with some Jihadis!

Step back and think slowly and carefully.

The frustrating part is when legitimate concerns or questions are refused nuanced debate because it could be uncomfortable. Just try having a sensible discussion about immigration here in the UK. Just to raise the question causes some people to immediately label you as a xenophobe and a racist!

Well explained and I stand by your side regards to this matter. It's just not only a religion but most to be criticized.

I am one of those people who is blown away at how popular and protected Islam has become after 9/11. As someone who did a deep dive on Islam learn, I don't think it's compatible with Western values of individualism.

The Muslims always have a booth at every city event where they promote Islam. (Christian and Jews not allowed) It never ceases amaze me that their literature teaches that the "hijab is freedom". That is just ignorance on steroids. And no debate is allowed or one is ostracized and labeled. But modern day feminist are embracing Muslims as oppressed victims instead of recognizing their inherent oppression. I thought they were against the patriarchy?

Since the attack, there are already people calling for the silencing of particular voices. Anyone who has criticised the religion of Islam in any way is on multiple lists. Too many bad faith actors automatically place criticism of Islam as criticism of muslims. Owen jones,and mehdi Hasan have been pushing to ban people in twitter. What ticks me of though, is after the Manchester arena attack, the public where told to not be angry, and just blame the individual involved. Everyone did. Since this attack, anyone and everyone is getting the blame.

An extremist is not a true believer in whatever religion they claim to practice. They just use it as an excuse. It is unfair to those who truly practice a religion peacefully.

I agree with you on the political correctness part, and also on the religion part.