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I wanted to talk about transgender people for a moment. I am pro trans rights, in that I think trans people deserve to dress and identify as they wish, as long as it is a committed lifestyle and identity, and not a trend. I don't actually think most people who are seeking to medically transition are "transtrenders". Most are committed to transitioning because they don't feel like staying in their current body is a viable option for them, or that they'll likely spend their time depressed and possibly suicidal if they do not transition. Whether you think its a mental illness or not, I have no problem with trans people transitioning. They do them. We should all be able to have surgeries and change our appearance because in the end, we're all autonomous beings.

I will call trans women "she" and trans men "he" if they wish. I balk at things like "Zhe" and "Zher" and am hoping that those terms are swallowed up by iniquity rather than that they make their way into our normal lexicon of gender terminology. But hey, if you do the work of shaving your legs and growing your hair out and dressing like a woman every day, and you want me to call you "she" and "her", I'm fine with that. But that's because I choose to respect your gender pronouns. Expecting everyone to automatically call you by the pronouns you want to be referred by is naive. Compelling it by law is outright horrifying as a violation of free speech. Also, making it illegal to misgender someone doesn't help your cause. It only breeds resentment and hate.

I feel like there are concurrent issues going on here. Transgender people's rights to live as the gender they identify with in peace without harassment and violent retribution, and transgender people demanding to be treated exactly the same as cis gender (or non trans, or biologically male/female) people. And the assumption that it is bigotry and hatred that fuel concerns about say.. who uses what bathroom.. who's allowed into what changing room, or whether a trans person should disclose their trans status before having sex with a non-trans person. These are all rational issues that can be debated in a rational manner. Believing that transgender people are mentally ill is perfectly reasonable. Mocking them as deluded psychopaths, or mocking their appearance is less than fair. I have several transgender friends who don't differ from non trans people in any sort of noticeable way other than that they are dressing as the opposite gender. They aren't "mentally ill" outside of the belief that they are the opposite gender they were born into.

I was incredibly impressed with the interview between Blaire White (a conservative trans woman) and Ben Shapiro, in which they came together for a polite conversation about pronoun usage. I feel that if we calm down and address this issue factually, we'll get farther than the alternative - Trans people claiming that any and all criticism of their identity is blatant bigotry and not based in reasonable concerns/ Non-trans people mocking trans people as disgusting monsters or delusional gay men with mean abandon.

I'd appreciate some measured, non emotional responses to this post as to where we should go next. Any thoughts?

Fayerweather 4 Apr 2
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I find the transfolk repulsive so I don't think about them, it's a non factor in my life

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Others have spoken about the problems sports is having with transgenders. Here is another problem everyone should have. Recently, there was a man in Britain who was convicted of raping three women. He, then said he identified as a woman and was sentenced to prison in a women’s prison, where he raped two more women. People should think about the consequences of their choices and actions. Way too many in our society don’t!

There're fake ones around, that's for sure.

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I agree with all of your points. Thank you for making them in a thoughtful manner.

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The truth is, as a society, we don't know enough about these issues yet. I think people should be free to live their life as they see fit. A big problem is with radicals who push a narrative that, the only reason this population has a high suicide rate is because of oppression and discrimination, on the part of straight people. And if you don't go alone with every demand from radical activist ideologues, than you are responsible for trans people committing suicide. They try to shut down any reasonable discussion on the subject. there is more going on here, Jews in concentration camps had a lower suicide rate. I just read Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds" and he devoted a full chapter to this issue, with compassion and common sense. It's worth reading.

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I have 0 problems with trans. people, but if you have a dick hanging off you don't go into my lil girls washroom!!!

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Your very post is an emotion judgemental rant so why do you ask for anything different from responses?...

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For sure. befriend a trans person if you have the chance. male to female, or female to male, or whatever. here is a good though a bit goofy video about trans rights, and the feminism as a whole.

I love ContraPoints. I don't agree with her all that often, but she has some very interesting arguments. I agree with a lot of her view points about TERFs in this video. I also think that she comes from a place not based in facts, but in personal feelings. But... she's living this life, so who can blame her?

@Fayerweather not based in facts how? The facts are more nuanced and much deeper than XY and XX. glad you love her.

@Fayerweather I Think the disconnect comes in when people look at sociology through a geneticist lens, things don't make sense. what good does it do in knowing genetics in how to live ones life. for someone transitioning viewing things that way is only going to lead to more self hatred and depression. By Peterson's own definition of truth this makes viewing things this way Untrue.

This reminds me of an analogy I can draw to some of Sam harris's work. I love him but disagree with him on almost everything political. His meditation and philosophical work is great though.

So Sam Believes that we have no free will, and when looking through a philosophical lens this is very hard to refute, enough so that it may as well be true. compatibalists I contend are just agreeing with this idea while trying to hedge on the verbage. but how does knowing that someone has no free will effect someones perspective on life? perhaps it makes them a little more humble, but it isn't always the best lens to view the world.

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