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LINK Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortion

This week, President Donald Trump extolled the cutting-edge coronavirus treatments he received as “miracles coming down from God.” If that’s true, then God employs cell lines derived from human fetal tissue.

The emergency antibody that Trump received last week was developed with the use of a cell line originally derived from abortion tissue, according to Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, the company that developed the experimental drug.

The Trump administration has taken an increasingly firm line against medical research using fetal tissue from abortions. For example, when it moved in 2019 to curtail the ability of the National Institutes of Health to fund such research, supporters hailed a “major pro-life victory” and thanked Trump personally for taking decisive action against what they called the “outrageous and disgusting” practice of “experimentation using baby body parts.”

But when the president faced a deadly encounter with covid-19, his administration raised no objections over the fact that the new drugs also relied on fetal cells, and anti-abortion campaigners were silent too. Most likely, their hypocrisy was unwitting. Many types of medical and vaccine research employ supplies of cells originally acquired from abortion tissue. It would have taken an expert to realize that was the case with Trump’s treatment.

Last Friday, as Trump developed worrisome symptoms of covid-19, the president received an emergency cocktail of anti-coronavirus antibodies made by Regeneron. These molecules are manufactured in cells from a hamster’s ovary, so-called “CHO” cells, according to the company—not in human cells.

But cells originally derived from a fetus were used in another way. According to Regeneron, laboratory tests used to assess the potency of its antibodies employed a standardized supply of cells called HEK 293T, whose origin was kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

Since then, the 293T cells have been “immortalized,” meaning they keep dividing in the lab, somewhat like a cancer, and have undergone other genetic changes and additions.

According to Regeneron, it and many other labs employ 293T cells to manufacture virus “pseudoparticles,” which are virus-like structures that contain the “spike” protein of the deadly coronavirus. It needs those to test how well different antibodies will neutralize the virus.

The two antibodies Regeneron eventually put forward as an experimental treatment, which may have saved Trump’s life, would have been selected using exactly such tests. Because the 293T cells were acquired so long ago, and have lived so long in the laboratory, they are no longer thought of as involving abortion politics.

“It’s how you want to parse it,” says Alexandra Bowie, a Regeneron spokesperson. “But the 293T cell lines available today are not considered fetal tissue, and we did not otherwise use fetal tissue.”

The Trump administration has sought to block or curtail research that requires tissue from recently performed abortions. In August, for example, a new board created by the Department of Health and Human Services, and stacked with figures opposed to abortion, voted to withhold funding from 13 of 14 proposals.

The rejections centered on research seeking fresh supplies of abortion tissue, rather than ongoing research involving older, well-established cell lines in use for many years, like the type Regeneron employed. However, one reason some scientists want to study abortion tissue is so they can create new and valuable cell lines.

JacksonNought 8 Oct 8
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I remember hearing about the kidney cells from this very same aborted fetus in 1970s Netherlands being currently used in the flavor industry, notably for Pepsi etc.

I believe it had something to do with sensitizing the tastebuds, so that the flavors seem more intense.

Just looked it up, the company is called Senomyx.

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Is there a point to editing the original post? Is it so that you don't have to address whether or not you are 100% consistent in your own views/actions?

Just curious.

EDIT: So if Satanism is more moral than Eastern or Abrahamic religions surely it also teaches its adherents that double standards and hypocrisy are wrong, no? I mean, you wouldn't accuse Trump of moral inconsistency and you do it yourself. That would be wrong.

It's why I tend to not take hard and fast stances on issues if I can't live up to them myself or at least acknowledge my bias and why. Builds trust. Speaking of trust do satanists believe in always telling the truth or is lying acceptable if it helps you to convince people of a greater truth? And along those lines, can we trust the answer to that since historically the Adversay figure is known for lying and condemning humans that fell for it.

My bias here is that I find it difficult to believe the sincerity of people who choose a religion based off of the antagonist of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Either they embrace his role as spiritual district attorney and choose to judge others by standards they cannot live up to themselves or they are atheists playing antagonist without any real stake in bettering humanity with the ideology. Whether it's that douche Styx or the reddit satanists it just always feels like someone who never matured past high school hoping to appear edgy.

I could be wrong about you. That's just my bias as I've met lovely Muslims, Jews, and Christians along with the jackholes but I haven't met a satanist online or in real life that worked soup kitchens, homeless shelters, or battered women homes. Hopefully you can change my mind about that and give me a good example so I can admit I was wrong about satanists.

There is no need to edit the post, as I did not write anything. It is an article I shared, and posted the body of. None of it contained my own words. If it is false, the article should make a detraction, or you can feel free to make a post negating this one. I am not sure I ever see other people, especially on this group, remove or edit their posts when proven wrong or shown to be using sketchy sources.

I will note, the fact-check article Spike posted does say "an embryonic-derived cell line, albeit not a stem cell, does appear to have been involved at least in the early stages of Regeneron's testing process". You can take from this what you wish.

As for your Satanist comments, I have commented on it more times than I can count on this website. Feel free to go through my comment history and you will find the answers you seek. If you think Satanism basing its name on a character that some religions believe is the epitome of lies, then do you think it would be fair to call Christians and Jews violent since they worship a god who has a long history of vengeance and murder? Food for thought. Also, Satanism is a non-theistic religion which does not believe in deities or any degree of supernaturalism. Satan is a symbol of the ultimate rebel against arbitrary oppressive authority, nothing more. The fact that it shows the true hypocrisy of Abrahamic religions, primarily Christianity in the USA, who claim oppression and promote religious freedom until its something they don't like, is just an added bonus. I am not quite familiar with Styx, I just know he is shown to be in videos often with Paul Ramsey - and knowing Paul I am sure I would disagree with him.

As for examples of Satanists and charity work you asked about:

Here is a Satanic group in the Philadelphia area who ran a campaign to help out the homeless - [delcotimes.com] - they are also currently running a campaign to donate to domestic violence centers.

Here is a Satanic group in San Antonio who started a charity drive to help out women in local abuse and homeless shelters - [ksat.com]

Here is another Satanic group, in Arizona, also doing a charity drive for female products - [azdailysun.com]

Here is a Satanic group in Florida donating socks to homeless shelters - [independent.co.uk]

Here are Satanic groups in Minnesota and Arizona running a collection drive for diapers and other infant care - [patheos.com]

Here is list of other Satanic groups running charity events, such as cleaning up highways parks and beaches, donating formal attire to help to help the underprivileged with interviews and jobs, and running blood drives - [ranker.com]

@JacksonNought I'm not so interested in it that I would turn into a stalker to review everything you've said on the subject. I'm not speaking to what satanic groups have done sporadically but you personally. I can't take credit for things I didn't do just because I belong to a group of some sort. Further, I don't take blame for things groups do, either. I asked about you because you are an individual within that group.

BTW, saying "Abrahamic" to label or discuss 1/3 of the world's population is ludicrous. There are two billion people in that number all with the capability of reading a paragraph and deciding for themselves what it means or doesn't mean let alone thousands of pages across three books. Further, the culture of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is vastly different than that of Afghanistan and super different than Turkey, just as Jews in Israel are different than those of West Hollywood, African Christians different than Canadians etc.

I hope you're not going to be one of those who doesn't believe in how culture and language can affect religious and political life.I can't possibly believe that my coffee shop barrister's form of Buddhism is the same as that of a child growing up in Tibet. It's why I ask you questions rather than just slop you in with the pathetic satanist teens who think its still edgy to be a boy with black nail polish. I can't help but eyeball. I mean, Hello kids the 90's happened. Amirite?

On the subject of satanist teens, please go be elder to them because these new crop of satanist goth teens have become horribly boring. If you're going to be a satanist at least get some better music to listen to or offer new insults about Christians. I kinda feel like Lucifer is probably somewhere strategizing how to get God to take Katy Perry back.

EDIT: I apologize for being a bitch. I will leave my bitchiness up so I can't wiggle around it. I'm tired of all the teens who think they discovered rebellion and pick on easy targets. As Jesus said anyone can be nice to their friends, being nice to your enemies is where it's at. I would add to that we should argue with our friends more than our political opposites but I also realized its how we get cast down and out. If you say that Trump is an asshole you keep your friends. If you say Biden is one, too, you're the loneliest progressive in the world.

Goodnight.

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To briefly sum-up my past discussions on the matter: Modern day non-theistic Satanism is a religion without any worship, deities, or supernaturalism. It is not just Christianity but evil. We don't believe there is actually a Satan, the use of Satan is just symbolic as he is the ultimate rebel against arbitrary oppressive authority. It derives more from the Hebrew "adversary" and Romantic interpretation. It is a sincere religion, not just trolling or edgy atheism - atheism just addressed a god belief, but Satanism addresses other fundamental tenets and worldviews. To us it couldn't be anything other than "Satanism" - so we should not have to change our values or identities because some other religions get offended or try to discriminate against us. Some Satanists did come from Christian backgrounds and see it as a rejection of their indoctrinated upbringing, but not all - I myself was raised in a secular Jewish home. That's most of the issues thrown my way here.

To address you comments about Satanic goth teens, well I don't have a problem with goths. I myself was a goth, and still am to a degree, and there is nothing wrong with belonging to a subculture or clique, no different than jocks or theater kids or preppy kids. The question about Satanism specifically is whether it is genuine or just rebellious. I can see moody Christian kids claiming to be Satanists to piss off their parents and community, and there certainly are a good amount of "edge-lords" out there who claim to be Satanists to get attention or to play into victim culture. Then there are the kids who maybe aren't Satanists but have that label thrown on them - in my personal experience, as a gothy kid in middle / high school, I was bullied and called a Satanist just because of my appearance before I ever even knew anything about it and while I still identified as Jewish. With The Satanic Temple gaining more prominence, it is getting more common for teenage "Satanists" to be more knowledgeable and actually identify sincerely as such, rather than just seeking attention, but those attention seekers are still out there.

I am curious though about what music you are referencing. I see a lot of good music still being made today, though I do see many of today's youth going towards crap (in my opinion) like mumble rap and pop divas and whiny indie groups.

I of course recognize that Abrahamic religions, while originating from a core ancient belief, can be wildly different based on geolocation and regional upbringing. That is why I called out Christianity in the USA as the main culprit of "freedom of religion" hypocrisy.

I suppose I misinterpreted your query in asking about Satanic charity, I thought you were asking about Satanist engaging in charity, and so I shared several groups. Similar to these examples, I do indeed engage in charity myself - as both part of my local Satanic organization and as an individual. I donate to food / clothing drives, contribute money to local shelters and charities, and as a lifelong straight-edge person I help with addiction recovery and seeing purpose to life without controlled substances.

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The claim: Trump's Covid treatment was derived from fetal stem cells. The verdict: False-
[amp.usatoday.com]

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Is Trump anti-abortion? He didn't use to be so perhaps he actually had a sincere conversion, I don't know. Given that most of us are not informed about the specifics of drug research, testing, IRB presentations, statistical analysis prior to our physicians prescribing something--especially when we are ill and "out of it" I'm not certain why this is an issue.

It doesn't even count as a good "gotcha". He was probably in lala land when prescribed. However, if you are attempting to debate whether or not we should use a by product of an action we disagree with then I'd like to as you the following:

  1. If you are anti-war then will you abstain from voting since you know that both candidates have proven to participate in the continuation of war time activities in Afghanistan?
  2. If you are anti-slavery will you abstain from voting Biden as he was part of the Obama administration that caused the overthrow of the Libyan government and reinstated legal slavery of black Africans there?
  3. If you are anti-racism will you abstain from purchasing anything that came from China now that you know the Chinese have placed Muslims into camps and have changed laws to discriminate against black African immigrants or workers?

My guess is that you will vote, probably Biden, despite being against racism and slavery and that you will still buy Chinese products despite your anti-racism and pro labor rhetoric because of the inconvenience of doing otherwise. If I am wrong and you are abstaining from voting and from purchasing Chinese products then I apologize to you.

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You have some real proof of course ?
I heard and read that the treatment using monoclonal antibodies, used synthetically produced versions of proteins made by the immune system.

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So the treatment was tested using cells grown in a lab from organic material originally sourced from an abortion?

Troubling? Yes.

Should tests using cells originally derived from an abortion be legal? No.

Is it hypocritical for a sovereign individual who is pro-life to use a treatment that a separate sovereign person decided to test on cells originally derived from an aborted baby? No.

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