That WAS complicated!

The vaccines are designed to combat the virus the result is less severity, less transmission, less hospitalisation and less deaths... all good things.

@Lightman

Educate yourself.

[cdc.gov]

Keep in mind the CDC is under the control of work morons and is a propaganda and scIencey arm of the incompetent Biden administration. Read between the lines and plan on endless "busters" for an endemic disease.

@wolfhnd I am educated.... but thanks anyway.
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Any number of experts will state this...
The vaccines are designed to combat the virus the result is less severity, less transmission, less hospitalisation and less deaths... all good things.

Oh look that is what I said.

@Lightman A “vaccine” has a specific medical definition, and this swill ain’t it...

@Lightman

The people that developed mRNA technology wouldn't agree with you. If you get your information from midwit bureaucrats you are not educated. The real scientists knew from the beginning that the single spike protein approach would not be sterilizing as is the case with traditional vaccines.

That said I'm not opposed to the vaccines. I'm opposed to fake news and propaganda.

@parsifal

Research shows 20.8 percent of people with a high school education were reluctant to get the shot, 23.9 per cent with a PhD were against it and only 8.3 with a masters degree. Contrast that to 96 percent of medical doctors being fully vaccinated. This pandemic more than anything else exposed the weaknesses in public healthcare, thus the politics.

@wolfhnd take your vit D. lots of sunshine. and the right food. ----

@Lightman Experts are usually people who cannot see beyond the box of what they already know.

@maryrose

The epidemic is unhealthy populations, without co morbidities this pandemic would never have threatened to overrun the healthcare system. So absolutely it's time for people to take care of themselves.

@wolfhnd Doh... I don't listen to pollies on the details about vaccines sonny.... i read the real scientific and medical information... it is widely available.

@wolfhnd, @maryrose vit D itself will not help with the virus.... proven fact.
Can vitamin D supplements protect me from COVID-19 infection or prevent severe complications?
Having enough vitamin D is important for your overall wellbeing, and looking after your health is crucial during this time. However, taking supplements (including vitamin D) to prevent COVID-19 infection is not supported by any clinical evidence.

The best ways to avoid infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus are to practice good hand hygiene and physical distancing, and to keep following restrictions and recommendations from the federal and state or territory departments of health.

Some international studies have reported that people who died after being diagnosed with COVID-19 tended to have low levels of vitamin D. Many of those people were older and had age-related health issues or other conditions before they contracted coronavirus. A review of available data by the National Institute of Clinical Excellence in the UK has concluded that age and health status – not vitamin D levels – made these people more vulnerable to poor health outcomes after being infected with COVID-19.

One group of research scientists from the UK said that it’s 'plausible' a person with low levels of vitamin D could be more susceptible to a COVID-19 infection, because of vitamin D’s role in our immune system, but a direct link has not been established.

There is currently no evidence to demonstrate that vitamin D supplements can protect people with COVID-19 from more serious health complications. Clinical trials are underway to examine the topic further.

@wolfhnd The problem with such statistical analyses imo is it merely indicates the level of gullibility among all people given and attempts to give some false credibility by attaching, in this case, a level of education.

@Lightman

Again you are doing what all propagandists do hiding the issue behind the obvious.

If the vaccines don't stop the spread then why would you expect vitamin D to stop infection.

Ask yourself why the common cold keeps on going without immunity building up in the population. Then ask yourself why Norway has declared the pandemic over and Covid 19 an endemic disease.

Covid 19 exposed the poor health of Western Populations, specifically among people who would have died at an earlier age just a few decades ago. While we have been focused on keeping people alive we have neglected general health. Vitamin D deficiency is one of those things that have been ignored because of a history of fear of vitamin toxicity in the medical community. As it turns out vitamin D in large doses is dangerous to a small percentage of the population. But those people are easy to identify, unfortunately they are also more likely to die from Covid. There is no point in oversimplification as the CDC and media is want to do.

@wolfhnd Not hiding anything.
I don't expect vit D to stop the infection... I said as much.
Again from the medical literature.
"There is currently no evidence to demonstrate that vitamin D supplements can protect people with COVID-19 from more serious health complications. Clinical trials are underway to examine the topic further."
No oversimplification involved. Clinical studies... yes.

@Lightman

Well the issue is a fat unhealthy population.

Vitamin D3, Ivermectin, vitamin C show promise in clinical trials. End of story. Why you haven't heard about the studies I have no idea. That said the benefits are not world shaking but they are all safe if properly administered.

@wolfhnd Ivermectin has been proven ineffectual it is after all an anti-parasitic not anti viral.
Vitamins are vitamins and not anti-virals....

@Lightman

Seriously do your research, I'm not going to do it for you.

[journals.lww.com]

To be honest I don't think Ivermectin is a miracle drug. My research shows it's likely only helpful in 60 percent of cases.

@wolfhnd Seriously I'm researched up to the eyeballs. If we disagree then you are clearly wrong.
The most recent up to date data shows...

Ivermectin and COVID-19: ERs reportedly filling with people overdosing on unproven drug
Oscar Gonzalez 5 hrs ago

Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic, was one of many drugs medical professionals reviewed for repurposing early on in the COVID-19 pandemic. Some doctors who gave ivermectin to infected patients saw seemingly positive effects. However, more studies show it has little to no effect when it comes to treating COVID-19.

And I won't say I told you so you can find this information in a great many places.

@Lightman

You are possible right but probably wrong. I question your ability to objectively reconsider. The study I linked to is recent.

@wolfhnd And
[theguardian.com]

Etc, etc, etc....

@wolfhnd Then it is so far wrong.... no proper studies have found it to be effective in treating the virus it is not an anti-viral that should tell you something it has only had mixed and marginal effects early on in lessening the effects of some symptoms

@Lightman

Most of the studies you refer to were on seriously ill patients.

The early studies were seriously flawed.

The virus doesn't kill many people, like most Corona Viruses it's the body's reaction.

Most people that die from viral pneumonia die from secondary infections.

Get over the it's not an antiviral, nobody said it was.

@wolfhnd Then why do you think it has an effect on the virus?

If you don't think that then you must agree with me and the clinical studies and are just too stubborn to admit it and face facts

I already posted and linked to the studies being flawed and falsified

@Lightman

It's complicated, there are possible direct and indirect benefits.

[nature.com]

Now that Pfizer and Moderna are getting ready to release therapeutics hopefully this debate is irrelevant. Ivermectin appears to be a modestly effective therapeutic. Those designed for purpose should be more effective but keep in mind they may have yet unknown side effects in the general population. The interest in Ivermectin stems largely from it's safety record.

Yeah those masks they are soooooooooooo scary. Just wear one when applicable and get over it.

@Serg97 applicable here is when you cannot social distance (1.5 metres) or are in a crowded room full of people.
I've never had a problem with masks btw wearing one or not wearing one....

@Lightman masks don’t work in the way people imagine they do:

An N95 - the best available to us, stops 95% of particles 0.3 microns in diameter where a virus is 0.125 microns. And they are vented to allow exhalation, so offer no protection should the wearer be positive.

A surgical mask is designed for sterile environments and become clogged and useless after about a half hour.

A cloth designer face diaper might be a fashion statement but have been described as trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain link fence.

So why wear one?

@Lightman Try wearing a mask with COPD and only one lung!!!!!!!

@Serg97 Idiot....

@parsifal Yes parsifal nice to see someone who actually knows something factual. I have been advocating correct use and appropriate use all the time here, as for vented masks none are safe.... you can buy n95 unvented masks btw I have several in my car.
All masks lessen the risk to some extent btw.
As for the vaccines yes most are correctly called vaccines and not swill.

@Lightman Yes and an M95 mask will stop up to 3 microns, covid is .08 microns, so an M95 is like using a chain link fence to stop bees!!!!! Good luck with that one!!!!
Hope you get a nice fungal lung infection!!!!! You might learn something!!!!!

@Serg97 M95 isn't that a gun?
Calm down think straight and do some real research and YOU might learn something.
As for a M95 mask we were not talking about it. Do try reading what we actually say.
for starters before Delta... Covid was transferred by droplets... most masks stop that sort of transmission.

@Lightman Or...as our prime minister so eloquently said, masks are good when someone speaks “moistly”

Interesting NEWS story today about a truck load of "vaccines" getting involved in an accident and the cleanup crew being required to wear full hazmat suits!!!! Truly safe stuff, RIGHT???????