I do not know what alt-right is, except for "white power", whatever that is. I am from North America, where most of us who are multi-generational North American are the proverbial "melting pot of nations". None of us are white enough to meet the standards Adolph Hitler used to determine racial purity (no grandparents or great-grandparents from a long list of places). So to my way of thinking, white supremacists are actually self-loathing, ancestor-loathing poseurs.

How can you be sure there are no sjws?

I've met many many leftist, my brother being a die hard Bernie supporter, but I never met an alt right person. I would love to hear their reasons for an alt right identity.

We should all agree that the way you present yourself to the group is as important as what you say

Get into blaming/name calling and I just execise my right and ability to scroll past

If I’m reading your question correctly... you say you don’t want the idw to become something an alt-right platform? The whole point of the idw is the necessity of dissent. I’m virtually certain the alt-right will make an embarrassing mockery of themselves as soon they demonstrate themselves if Sargon of Akkad’s debate with Richard Spencer didn’t prove that to you already.

Theres never gonna be a white ethnostate. trolling the alt right would be a good thing to start here.

I've never been social media "savvy" nor had the desire to be so "woke" as the word is used today. FaceBook appeared to be the kind of playground for the average IQ individual who paid to play the games provided to the mentally bored and post inane comments and show photographs and win "friends" and lots of approval. In the early days one could look at the accounts without joining, just a look-see operation. Then the rules changed and one was required to join FaceBook, give them all manner of personal data. Well, that is what 68 percent of the general population ever wanted out of life and it's all right by me.

You, Mr Jnaatjes, are not one of the average IQ population, that much is clear. I assume from your writing that you have a decent education and perhaps even read a book a month. You have concerns about this country and how it is governed, what the future might be. I detect a bit of hyperbole in your phrasing, a bit of urgency in your concern. That is not a fault in your behavior, by the way, it would do us well to be concerned about those who are elected to govern us, as our founding fathers advised future Americans. What were we given after the Constitutional Convention and radification? A Republic, if we can keep it. Alas, we are coming to that crossroads where we, as a nation, will decide if we wish to keep that republic or change our course to the mob rule of pure democracy

Identity politics is as much labeling individuals into groups we consider "bad" or "wrong" as it is self identifying with some political or social group. You know, at the age of seven I broke my left arm at the elbow and that left me with about fifteen degrees of movement in that joint. I was a cripple at the age of seven, yet it telling others I was a cripple gained me nothing. I had to learn how to overcome my disability. Sports for the male child in the fifties was one of the defining roles through which one gained admiration, respect. I went from being a cripple (oh dear, we can't use that term any more, can we) to being a regular kid trying to find his place in the social sandlot teams. I couldn't be number one or two, but number five or six for being picked to play in the pick-up games was pretty danm good. I forgot I was a cripple, that I was disabled. The government forgot that two when I was drafted in 1965 and "passed" the military physical. I spent my year in hell and I am grateful that I suffered neither wound nor scar nor scratch, I just suffered. Sorry, no medals either, but did get the ribbons for attendance.

The point is that we all self identify with groups, many groups, to which we believe we belong. And we pigeonhole others into categories we self identify as the other groups, the wrong groups, the undesirables, if you will. Thankfully I've a great deal of knowledge, some of which I hold as truth, having tested it many times for its veracity, and an active mind and greater intelligence than most. Will the Alt-Right, the Neo-Nazis, the SJWs, the Progressives, and any other non right minded group pull the wool over my eyes? I have my doubts. You see, your problem is to try and help others identify the patterns, those sets of behaviors, the sets of arguments, well, the means by which those who will destroy the common man use. Go watch those wonderful propaganda films out government had Hollywood make about the Japanese and the Germans before we entered the war in 1941. A rather interesting adventure in marketing, and god, we were the best at it then. Please, do not spend your time and energy on the picayune, the mischa, to use a jewish or yiddish word.

It's okay to be alt right. #NotAllAltRighters

I am still consuming this discussion of alt right, its influence and connections. I see the term populism coming up ans a boogy monster type influence. And yet one of the first dictionary definitions for the term populism involve " A person or persons loving their own country" I most certainly will favor my own country, and its condition over that of other countries trying to add to it or take away from it. Or to subvert its Constitutional Republic articles, and the laws ratified by 2/3 majority of the states of the union? I really see more of this happening from the liberals than I do external Communist interests.

I have read some of the posts and i think that you have been mislead the alt right and the alt left are two extremes but what we see with identity politics today it is mostly coming from the alt left if you look at the progressive labor party that changed its name from the communist party usa in 1962 you only see the groop never the individual as a alt right group is more for the individual and will back the individual in the group now i think that they are both extreamist the only way forward for the united states is to honesty have the conversation that no one on ether side wants to have

Aren’t white supremacists just Caucasian racists? I have met plenty of racists and guess what..... they came from all sorts of races and tended to be racist against all sorts of races. Also we are now such a melting pot in terms of our DNA heritage how do you define race anyway.
I alway sit in dumb fascination when someone from the left persuasion calls Australians racist and I wonder if they are talking about the Anglo Australians, the Greek Australians, Chinese Australians, Arabic Australians, Slavic Australians, Indigenous Australians, South Pacific Islander Australians, African Australia, ...... you get the idea!

Pride isn’t the opposite of shame it’s the reason for it so the alt-right and the alt- left are the reason that they exist hopefully we can bring the extreme to the center

So is anyone who is for strong national borders and is able to identify with their own race's culture and ethics--are they your "alt-right"? I think the term was invented by agent-provacateurs that were responsible for one of those Chinese candle-light marches 3 or 4 years ago. Who or what group do you consider as your alt-right hobgoblins??

I see no similarities between the so called alt right, which is actually a Leftist ideology, and IDW. The alt right doesn't believe in free speech, they are anti semitic, they don't believe in the Constitution, they behave like terrorists and bomb government buildings, etc.
No, they are not at all like us.
Can they infiltrate IDW? Yes they can but so can any one of our opponents.

For those who seem to think the alt right is a myth constructed by the left, please watch this video from Ben Shapiro.

Yes, the left has created a straw man which they use as a weapon to club anyone who disagrees with them. But that doesn't mean there isn't also a real man standing there. Both can be true at the same time.

Alt-right is a left-wing constructed straw man.

If they can push back on the exaggerated and repetitious language of white supremacy in this country, and start raising more awareness of racism towards white people by black people, then I certainly hope so.

Yes, to be specific, fascists don't like communists, so obviously they are in the anti-communist group. Not to insult some good hearted communists, but even know that this type of communism has nothing to do with the ideal that they hope for. I have a good hearted communist friend and that is what he tells me, this is not the way to my ideals.

I belief that most people in this forum value truth, good, justice - i chose to believe so from start to open posibilities. I have never experienced anything like this, and im not talking about the so called corona pandemic, wich is a fraud, i can demostrate it to you, see [slug.com] if you need more documentation just ask.

So, when I say I have never experienced anything like this, and im not talking about the exagerated promotion of panic, we are being lied to, and there is so much evidence that you would not believe mainstream media had not said anything about it, strange, but true, the only thing you need to dare to do is look at the evidence. Sory I had to emphazice it.

I have never experienced so much political dirt in in my face in 2020, its incredible, in my country Denmark, in Europe, its a mess, a psychological mess, no one is thinking straight. This was planed, when people are in panic they can't think straight.

Back to the point - Many people are disatisfied with different things, we can solve this by focusing on how the issues affect our direct expereince daily, takes a bit of time and patience, but it can be done.

Yes, IDW is at risk of being infiltrated by alt-right provocateurs, anyone anticommunist might be attracted to this group, at least to know what it thinks, some may have extreeme unreasonable solutions to the situation. I think also there is also a risk for other kinds of infiltrations as the IDW community represents a strong group of reflective individualists, that are not so easily fooled, so thereby are thread to anyone to wants to fool at a national and global scale, as well as fool at the psychological dimension, brainwashing with propaganda and censure. The risk is real, but then again, we might convert them.

It's important to cull the extremists from your own party if you want to appeal to the center.
An asymmetry is that the Republican Party does this and the Democratic Party doesn't. Behold the
exit of the Rinos in 2018. Behold the extremists that have taken over the Democratic Party. This is reflected in the plot below.

There is economic conservative vs. liberal and there is social conservative vs. liberal.
A libertarian is a social liberal.
A free thinker is economically conservative and socially liberal. The Republican Party is evolved in the direction of the Libertarian party. This is reflected in the plot below.

If there are 3 factions, A, B, & C, and A is more greedy than B and C. B and C can gang up, make a deal, win the election, and shut out A from the agenda completely. An ungreedy gang can defeat a greedy gang.
The left is greedy.

It will always be at risk and it is my prediction that this site will be attacked if it gains traction.

They will call it whatever ‘ism’ they want regardless.

We need a regular Right Wing site. I said this in the suggestion box thread. We do not need to get caught up in being inclusive to everyone. We get to exist without having to allow porn and neo nazis.

We get to expect a certain level of decorum.

These sites should have the same standards as the big sites without discriminating against the Right.

Well said.

I am a White (old) Male. From what is being said/pushed by the LEFT, I am the worst thing GOD ever created. Why shouldn't I support White Identity Politics???

of course not silly boo

So far I have not come across any posters urging me to join Pepe and the Alt-Right. Perhaps I live a very sheltered life. On the other hand, I have not come across any handbook for Dummies to becoming Alt-Right, no sacred bible or book of incantations, or phamhlets of propaganda, or anything else that might be useful for identifying these supposed demons. I scrolled through a few of the comments below and I see individuals writing their thoughts on the subject but their individual descriptions seem to be rather vague and general. So we might as well be talking about "those people", the invisible they and them, for all I know. In many ways it is like my experience in basic and advanced infantry training. One doesn't merely aim one's carbine at the target down range and seek to place round after round in the bulls eye, one seeks to kill the enemy. Did the friendly drill sergeants ever seek to clarify just who is the enemy? No, because they tell you, it doesn't matter, they are or will be shooting at you and you must kill them first. Granted, that was well over fifty years ago, the subject may be taught differently today.

So I find this question to be rather interesting. You see, the process is always the same. Find the general enemy, you know, that group whose values differ from yours no matter how slightly. Label them in a manner that makes them stand out, like being targets. Exaggerate those differences in values with the certitude of moral superiority. Then seek to rally around you the "right-thinking" people, like yourself, who instinctive know what constitutes good moral character and who doesn't have it. Then remember to always question those who might have an opinion that is not as strong as your own to remember just whose side they are on and how you know better. Every civilization and society has gone through this before and will continue to wash, rinse, and repeat it again and again.

A little advice for the concerned. First of all, make sure your truth is really truthful and not wants and desires of your own biases. Knowledge is not always the truth, it is just knowledge, something you have learned. Wisdom is when you can start confirming the truth in your knowledge. Then speak your truth. Never fear listening to the "other side", for the only way you know what that other side stands for is the knowledge they are willing to impart. It is also the only way you can question their knowledge, see if there is any truth to it. A closed mind never learns. Moral cowardice allows lies to triumph over truth.

When you state that the alt-right embraces white identity politics can you please cite some examples of what and who you refer to? Be specific please. I am just trying to understand your point of view.

When you state that the alt-right has differing purposes regarding free speech please provide examples.

I have two questions for you.

Q1: Do you believe in the concept of hate speech?
Q2: Do you believe in the concept of equality?

Fire back when you get a window...

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