Good question. Here my attempt:

Someone who holds to intersectional ideal with a religious zeal, and views counter arguments as equivalent to violence, and so spends most of their time shaming and attempting to de-platform those who disagree.

Definitely genuine.

I disagree, though, that genuinely holding a belief inherently makes it valuable. Someone may believe slavery is good, or that eating dirt in an important way to start your day, but that doesn't make it valuable or true.

I'm certainly willing to hear any argument however, and appreciate you keep an open mind.

@jnaatjes - Holding the opinion does not give the opinion value, Understanding why someone holds the opinion, is valuable information.

example Consider dark matter or hawking radiation, we cannot prove any of these beyond theory and paper, but we value them not because of who said it, or that it is a divine truth, but rather its the best model we have now, but already cracks are showing as observable evidence does not match modelling, so we discuss.

Some hold on to the view that the models must be wrong, others the data is missing something, and others that the theory needs revising. By listening to all sides of a debate, we get outside our small worldview, and see a bigger picture, Stop any one group from participating, I miss the value of the point of view.

Society is a collection of individuals, and all have opinions, Only if we have really listened to all sides can we find the balance.

I not only respect your right to hold an opinion, I defend your right to it, and your right to be wrong. But incite violence or attack the person, rather than the argument, you prove you lack the evidence to support your opinion.

Its just a point of view, and thanks for being so candid and clear with yours. Welcome to the discussion.

"Lets make a special effort to stop communicating with each other, so we can have a conversation" - Mark Twain

Alt-rock is still rock music. Just because it's a different style doesn't make it jazz.

Except alternative rock is still awesome. Alt-right is just stupid.

I said I don't want to deny free speech. That's not what this is about. It's about using our own free speech to reject bad ideas. And from what I've seen, my fellow conservatives have started to feel like the only bad ideas out there come from the SJW left. They seem to ignore red flags from any movement on their side of the aisle.

Since virtually no one on this site is a leftist, it is likely to become an echo chamber and bad ideas are likely to manifest themselves because we have few dissenting voices.

I'm just saying we need to keep ourselves sharp. Hopefully that's a culture we can cultivate.

@jnaatjes i get what you are saying. Bad ideas and or ideologies can come from every side of the political spectrum. Though I believe alt- right is a misnomer.
Though I am socially liberal, I'm definitely not a leftist!!!
The leftist ideology has more in common with alt-right, and a liberal has more in common with concervative precepts.
For example the Republican party was and is the anti-slavery party, they are the party of equal rights! It was republicans who fought to end slavery, who fought to end jim crow. The democrats were on the opposite side.
The Republican party has made mistakes in ideology in the past, but the democrats are and always have been the party of racism and hate and bigotry of every kind. We see this on a daily basis all over on the media. Alt-right ideology is not Republican or concervative. It has way more in common with the politics of racial hatred that the the democrats have espoused for the last two hundred years. When LBJ said "we'll have them n$%%÷&s voting for us for the next hundred years". That was a direct reference to the bill he signed that created a system of institutional slavery that is is still very real today!!

If you are a liberal that thinks, welcome, I value your support, if you are a conservative who thinks, come exchange, I value your opinion. If you just slag and use labels, then you add no value, and will be ignored, this is how discussion and evaluation exists.

In many ways I am liberal, in others less accepting and suspicious, I think that the mind of the scientist. We test, we explore, we fail, and we try another thing, eventually we discover, Then we find something new, and have to rethink our hypothesis.

Right/left just labels. Thinking knows no politics or religion. But sees value in all discussion.

You sound a little defensive.

The alt right is the best right

Labeling people in an attempt to assisnate their character is just a way to get out of dealing with the actual arguments. I'm with you there.

But labeling ideas and philosophies is useful, I think, even if it's imprecise. That's the way language works... we name things so we can make sense of the world.

And I think it's very useful to draw a clear distinction between real conservatism and alt-right ideas, because they're very different. It's also helpful to identify any similarities because them, so those on the normal right can guard against the ideological distortions that lead to an alt-right way of thinking.

@jnaatjes I wasnt thinking about it that way so I agree with you analogy thanks

But no one in the IDW is falling for Antifa's b.s. Our bias is anti-left, and the alt-right is also anti-left, even if they're not conservative.

I'd say much less so. Antifa is more likely to influence the general public, but I don't think this particular group is very susceptible to left wing extremism.

I think we are though (and I include myself in this) susceptible to anything that is anti-left. But just because something is anti-left doesn't mean it's good. Especially when it basically is the left, but is just pandering to white straight males instead of the intersectional hierarchy.

It's like how the Nazis and Soviets hated each other so much. Both were evil, and both had very similar ideologies. Americans opposed the Nazis as well, but not for the same reason as the Soviets.

The question is, do you hate identity politics, or do you just hate being at the bottom of the group identity hierarchy. That's what separates conservatives from the alt-right.

No. Never censoring. The only time I think banning or suspending someone is justified is if they are directly threatening someone's physical safety. Even then, it's not always very black and white, and censoring can be a pretty dicey business.

But being libertarian doesn't mean you have to forsake value. It just means you don't enforce them with a gun.

@jnaatjes

What are you on? Libertarians believe ? in the constitution and for each person to do as they wish without the government telling them what they can and can’t do. Your not a libertarian your a fucking liberal.

@jnaatjes I will spell this out for you since youna liberal in denial. Our gun rights are the second amendment right after free speech. Neither of which should be infringed. Go peddle your liberal bullshit on Facebook.

@SHITMDC it's funny you're trying to spell things out for me when you misspelled several things yourself... try spell check before you hit submit.

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about gun rights. Let me explain it a little more slowly so you can keep up...

Those who believe in big government believe the government can take away your property, your money, your labor, etc., at the point of a gun and redistribute it. They believe if something is good, they can use the government's guns to force people to comply. They believe if something is bad, they can use to government's guns to stop people from doing it.

I was simply saying that libertarians don't believe that way. They don't believe in using government force to compel people to behave a certain way, so long as the behavior doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

I'm also saying that even though they don't believe in government compulsion, that doesn't mean they don't personally hold an values. It doesn't mean they aren't religious, for instance. They may believe gay marriage is wrong, but also believe it's not the governments place to stop gay people from getting married.

The reason I'm saying this is because I think a) we shouldn't ban anyone from this platform (which would be a libertarian view), but b) we should also be trying to maintain a culture with high standards of respectfulness, sound logic, and level-headedness, no matter who we're talking to.

And on that note, I'd recommend toning it down a bit and being more careful with your posts if you really want to convince anyone that your views are worthwhile.