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Good grief all morning we've had crap about Trump being a racist and that he supports white supremacy and some group called the Proud Boys.
Trump said he doesn't know who the proud boys are and they they need to stand down and allow the police to handle the problems.
This morning a quick catch of Biden shows him saying the Proud boys, whoever they are, need to stand down.
Gee is Biden also a closet racist and supporter of white supremacy...

Is reporting on the debate biased?

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I think i heard Trump say at one point "Stand down and standby" in answer to the supremacists question.

He said that to the Proud Boys, who are not white supremacists anywhere outside left wing propaganda. Here is the clip:

@DaveO276 Trump actually said "stand back and stand by" in answer to a request to denounce white supremacists.@3:04
Here's a message from a "proud boy"

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@maxmaccc There was a lot of back and forth, with seemingly multiple simultaneous conversations, but Trump's precise words were: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by." Add to that the fact that he has denounced white supremacy multiple times in the past, and there is no valid criticism of the president for what he said in that clip.

The statement from the Proud Boy that you linked to is disturbing and warrants a thorough investigation. I didn't hear any white supremacy, though.

@DaveO276 The "Proud Boy" message was directed at BLM and ANTIFA specifically.
Trump has failed multiple times in the past to clearly denounce white supremacy too.
It appears to be a tactic employed to cover all bases by Trump, by giving contradictory statements.

@maxmaccc I didn't know that, but even if that is true it makes no difference... Opposition to Antifa and the Black Lives Matter Global Network doesn't make someone a white supremacist.

@DaveO276 The "proud Boy" actually mentioned, by name, BLM and ANTIFA in the video.

@maxmaccc Ok. Still doesn't make him a white supremacist.

@DaveO276 He calls himself a Redneck. How would you categorize his ideology based on what is known about the "proud Boys" movement and his comments in the video?

@maxmaccc Well, I'm not sure what "is known" about the Proud Boys, but as for labelling the ideology apparent from this individual's comments in this video... maybe anti-Marxist...

I heard no mention whatsoever of race... unless you count the reference to Black Lives Matter, which I believe was a actually a reference to the Black Lives Matter Global Network - a group founded on neo-Marxism.

@DaveO276 Yes, maybe you're right. The passage of time and events will reveal more i suppose. Post election results should be an interesting time in the U.S.
The wikki entry regarding "Proud Boys" has them down as far right, neo fascists, male only with ties to white supremacy,

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"That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck. That was the worst debate I have ever seen... In fact it wasn't even a debate. It was a disgrace. And it's primarily because of president Trump."

"It was a s... show."

Yeah. I'd say so. And per usual other people took the "Trumps commanding his secret troops" rhetoric and ran crazy with it online.

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