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IDW figure Jonathan Haidt has written about how liberals are driven by dignity culture while conservatives are driven by honor culture. He also discusses a new culture of victimhood which is like honor culture except that it appeals to civic institutions (like dignity culture) rather than engaging in vigilantism.

For a community of classical liberals, I see a lot of people here openly committed to waging a culture war, which of course can only be a trait of honor or victimhood culture.

Which culture do you identify with? And are you committed to waging a culture war?

[scholars-stage.blogspot.com]

EDIT: The terminology was originally conceived by sociologists Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning.

WilyRickWiles 8 June 23
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Just read the article, and could not find a reference to "conservatives = honor, liberals = dignity." I don't believe this to be correct. Here are two examples of honor cultures: Radical Muslim society. Does the phrase "honor killing" ring a bell? Another is MS13 and their ilk. If one of those kids thinks you've looked at them "wrong", you just might find a knife sticking out of your ribs. Classical liberals would indeed be "dignity oriented." But of course, those folks are now identified as "Conservative." "Liberals" by today's standards are definitely in the "victimhood" culture.

Oldvet Level 5 June 24, 2019
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You wrote: "For a community of classical liberals, I see a lot of people here openly committed to waging a culture war, which of course can only be a trait of honor or victimhood culture."

Not sure I understand why you think a 'culture war' can only be waged by either a victimhood culture or an honor culture.

Presently, am just now reading Haidt's book, "The Righteous Mind" (Just started the second chapter) One thing I agree with him on is his statement that we are all self-righteous and are hypocrites.

dmatic Level 8 June 24, 2019
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since the homosexual community aligns itself with the "liberal" side of the political spectrum I must point out that the display of sexual deviance and depravity witnessed in every "gay pride" event that I have seen is anything but "dignified".
Also there is no dignity in a culture of perpetual dependency - dependency upon others (gov't ie. tax payers and productive people) for everything from basic needs like housing, food, clothing, to pretty much any consumer products that can be imagined. There is no dignity in being a beggar and there is certainly no dignity in being a malcontent apathetic beggar.
So just whose dignity are we talking about here.
Without honor any sense of dignity is a false sense of dignity. There is no shame in falling and accepting a hand up out of times of hardship and privation and too often that "hand up" is regarded as entitlement and recompense for a false sense of aggrieved status.
Dependency is inarguably a way of life for far too many people and there is NO dignity in that.

iThink Level 9 June 23, 2019

That's not how Haidt is using the word "dignity." Admittedly, "civic" probably would have been a better word choice.

@WilyRickWiles I suspect that the use of the word "dignity" is in fact a vicarious and projected quality on the part of the virtue signalling liberal persona. LOL!!! take that!

@iThink Are you accusing Haidt, an IDW figure, of virtue signalling? Blasphemy!

@WilyRickWiles
I haven't read his stuff on the topic of "dignified culture" so I can't really say that about Haidt. My remarks are really directed at folks who might have a tendency to take his ideas and in the throes of perceived validation of their own ideas infer all sorts of things Haidt never intended...and I was just poking fun at you - all in good nature of course.

@iThink It's "dignity culture" not "dignified."

@WilyRickWiles
thanks I stand corrected

@iThink Got it... well I recommend reading the attached blog post or even the post by Haidt that they cite.

@iThink I would have figured that more members of the IDW community would be familiar with Haidt's work!

@WilyRickWiles I know who he is and I admit I am merely obliquely acquainted with his work. I was in the process of reading the blog post when you rudely interrupted me with this last comment. Leave me alone for a bit. I'll try to get back to you about it later...LOL

@WilyRickWiles
Just finished reading the article posted on The Scholars Stage. I don't think that article was written by Haidt although Haidt is referenced in the article. Nevertheless it is a brilliant piece of writing.
Off hand I would say that I am certainly one who dwells in the category of the "dignity culture" but with strong vestiges of "honor culture" running in my DNA.

I find the totality of "Victim Culture" not merely distasteful but repulsive.
Over the span of my lifetime in a bit of self assessment I believe I have spent a lot of energy reinforcing the need to reject wholly the notion of personal victimhood.
Such characterization to me is repulsive and therefore I viscerally reject the same in others.

Not to say that I reject the reality of victimization at the hands of malevolent actors in the forms of violent criminals, megalomaniacal politicians and military personalities and predatory con artists. That would be a sign of psychosis beyond help.

I do however reject tendency for people to cloak themselves in self pity whilst refusing to acknowledge their own roles in creating their prescient perceived circumstances of misery.

I have always believed (and still do) that 90% (proverbially speaking) of our problems are self inflicted and the remaining 10% can be chalked up to the randomness of life itself.

If a person is fortunate enough to have been born here in USA anytime after 1945 (or maybe before then) then they should consider themselves to have won the lottery of life itself. I know this hyperbolic assertion is just that - a gross generalization but it serves to make a point.

Victimhood in the form of having been micro-aggressed or perhaps micro-aggrieved is just silly self delusion and is an effort to shift responsibility for ones own failings upon some vague dominant "privileged" cultural overseer.

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My observations plus experiences see it as an inevitable paradigm. While I have knowledge of history before my birth (1969), all I can say, broadly put, is the major divisions were male/female and black/white. (Trust me. I'm aware of all other subgroups but I want to keep this short.)
To some degree the black/white self-segregating still occurs. The male/female does moreso now that the genders spend more time in proximity. After those immutable traits, society has further and further subdivided itself so many times into so many groups such that the only group left (the group every other group hoisted their grievances upon) were white (mostly) men. But let's just say stoic men to better clarify. The stoicism, however biologically manifested in men, has been tempered or refined. So, it's almost by default that we have become our own group.
We do exhibit honor, dignity, sacrifice, duty, compassion, leadership, competency, vulnerability, nurturing, competitiveness, frustration...and also malfeasance, manipulation, and disorderly behavior. Myself, I trust another man's sense of right and trustworthiness far more than I do any female, be they related or not. (Reminder...the stoic men. Other men who exhibit flamboyant manifestations of their grievances are immediately dismissed.)
If we are discussing the current paradigm of so many different intersectional groups existing, then all I can say is I believe that many of them will be reabsorbed back into the larger groups as society fatigues from their protestations. This will take time. We are on track for it, though. Nationalism will help. Globalism took away the individual's sense of ego and sequestered them into groups they subconsciously thought better of being in. But...pride, ya know!
Ok. I'll end it here. I hope I'm in the ballpark of what is being pondered here.

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>>For a community of classical liberals, I see a lot of people here openly committed to waging a culture war, which of course can only be a trait of honor or victimhood culture.<<

I’m afraid what doesn't follow. It’s not a paradox for classic liberals not to tolerate bigotry. And cultures, like the subgroup of Salafi Sunni Muslims, can be bigoted. You can tolerate them, but once in the majority they won’t return the favor. See Israel for another example.

At IDW we differ from the New Left in their idea that it’s okay to use violence or law to suppress bigoted speech. Also we don’t like the New Left idea that “oppressed and/or marginalized” groups get a free pass to be bigoted.

Babou Level 7 June 23, 2019

So how do you draw a line between acceptable and non-acceptable culture wars? The types I've seen in this community run the gamut.

@WilyRickWiles What kind of war? Hot or cold?

The wars on this forum by definition are wars of words. For all I care, cultures can do that all they like. “It is better to jaw-jaw than to war-war”, said Winston Churchill

@Babou It sounds like you reject Haidt's premise. Which is fine. But I think it approaches an accurate explanation of the political divide in the US. People who are consumed with defending their honor according to traditional values are tribal, easily provoked, often bigoted, and unwilling to negotiate with liberals because they don't respect their institutions. What is gained by providing them a platform to launder their ideas?

@WilyRickWiles My answer ran a little long, so I put it up as a stand-alone essay in the IDW Political Party group (please see there).

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If someone is above me on the social hierarchy, I expect honor. If someone is below me on the social hierarchy, I offer dignity. And yes, I believe in the glorious causes of purging humanity of nazi and fascists, and purging existence of deities.

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