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America does not have democracy , only illusion it has taken place. So no matter who ends up officially being president, the democratic fair and free process is irrecoverable, unless there is complete civil war and it is rebuild from ground up. As it stands its only a matter of who will cheat better next time, if there is a democratic election by next time. By old standards of voting Trump won, by new standards of counting Biden wins, so even if this is fought in courts, the people are skipped over and they don't get to decided anything. Its the corrupt and potentially corrupt bureaucrats, government officials, judges, media and big tech making the decision for the people, even if people decided and voted. Basically American "democracy" is just like any other countries democracy now. A name only.

In my country of Croatia this is standard practice, but when corrupt official get elected in Croatia, its just another Tuesday. When something happens in the country as powerful and influential as America, whole world order is affected. Everyone feels it. Hence whatever ends up happening in America , whole world will feels it, for better and for worse.

Trump is to civilized to win by rules that do not apply anymore.

"If a ruler who wants always to act honorably is surrounded by many unscrupulous men, his downfall is inevitable. Therefore, it is necessary for a ruler who wishes to maintain his position to learn how to be able not to be good." ― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- Joseph Stalin

The lefty radicals will continue to riot and try to terrorize both citizens (voters) and politicians. If Trump wins they will riot under excuse Trump won. If Biden wins they will riot to force Biden administration to take on more and more radicals as public officials and push for more and more radical laws. If you look at places run by democrats and their commie friends like Oregon and California or Washington, or even NYC, you know what to expect, but expect worse anyway.

Commie Harries already posted about "Equal equity", full on communist redistribution.... and Biden can be easily removed if he is no longer needed. They can lock him up in basement and give him covid. Either way, more months of uncertainity, riots, unrests, cheating, big tech censorship and media propaganda are certian. After that, anything is possible.

Stack up on proverbial toilet paper, ammo, snacks and pay attention to all sources. Mainstream and alternatives. Read books about previous communist regimes and revolutions and join the resistance if you want to make sure your children inherit something other than dystopia.

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California’s Election ‘Anomalies’ Are Not New, Nor Have They Been Fixed
How California’s elections are manipulated and why a federal investigation is needed here, and in many states

By Katy Grimes, November 5, 2020 4:51 pm

In 2016 the California Legislature and Gov. Jerry Brown ostensibly “legalized” ballot harvesting, allowing a third party to collect ballots and deliver them to election officials, eliminating the ballot protection law that allowed only a family member to return another voter’s ballot.

As I write this, I am receiving many reports from California voters who say their votes have not been counted. Candidates report their districts are only reporting at 59% and worse.

While the Secretary of State says he has until December 11 to announce California’s election outcomes, how did we get here?

In January of 2017 right before Donald Trump was inaugurated, he announced an investigation into election and voter fraud. “I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!” Trump tweeted.

This was music to the ears of many California voters—especially those whose party registrations were changed right before the June 2016 Primary election, ensuring a Hillary Clinton win over challenger Bernie Sanders, in what was called electronic vote rigging. California was a crucial state for both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, but the election was called for Clinton minutes after the polls closed, but before millions of provisional ballot votes were counted.

A 2017 study by Stanford University proved that Hillary Clinton‘s campaign pre-rigged the system to steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders. And it was never more apparent than in California where Bernie Sanders voters were likely robbed of a legitimate candidate.

Despite the left and some on the right insisting there is no election or voter fraud to speak of in the United States, there was plenty of evidence in 2016-17 in California, and there still is, as we are witnessing in numerous states. Electronic vote rigging indicates a massive fraud being perpetrated on voters.

In 2017, Election Integrity Project founder Linda Paine notified the California Secretary of State through her attorney, that they were teaching the wrong law to county registrars. That law, SB 450, would have allowed voters to vote in person at “vote centers” located at public spots throughout their county for the 10 days prior to an election, including two weekends, and voters would receive a vote by mail ballot that could be returned by mail, or dropped off at any vote center. This essentially legalized ballot harvesting and authorized counties to remove from voters the right to vote in person.

However, SB 450 was not supposed to go into effect until January 1, 2018. Of course Alex Padilla, the Secretary of State knew this, but was training county registrars on it anyway as if it was being implemented.

And when notified by EIP’s attorney, Padilla’s office blacklisted and shut out the Election Integrity Project entirely, as did every County Registrar EIP had been working with, according to Linda Paine.

In 2014, then-California State Senator Alex Padilla, D-Los Angeles, was elected Secretary of State. But his race caught the attention of the Election Integrity Project when not one of the 4,681 Los Angles County polling stations had the vote-by-mail indicators on the check-in rosters on Election Day. Linda Paine said volunteers described chaos at the polls as Inspectors and Coordinators realized there was no way to crosscheck who had already voted.

Election inspectors reported they received a list of 700 names of vote-by-mail voters they were to manually enter onto the check-in roster on Election Day morning. “It is difficult to understand just how this could have happened,” Linda Paine said. “All responsible businesses have procedures in place to ensure quality control so that materials printed on behalf of their company or organization are accurate.”

Election Integrity Project volunteers reported that some Inspectors gave up the effort to determine who voted by mail before Election Day and simply gave every voter a regular ballot. Reports also indicated that without time for the Inspectors to ensure the vote-by-mail indicator was in fact placed next to the correct voter, mistakes were made and voters who were regular voters were forced to vote provisionally.

“Provisional ballots are simply regular ballots that are placed in a special Provisional envelope that must be processed after Election Day,” Paine explained. “The processing of Provisional ballots often takes up to 30 days after Election Day. Voters who want their vote to count on Election Day will be disappointed if they vote provisionally. All Vote-by-Mail and Regular ballots are counted before their ballots are counted.”

Los Angeles County Anomalies

Paine said Alex Padilla’s challenger for Secretary of State, Pete Peterson, a Republican, lost by about 400,000 votes in 2014, of which approximately 350,000 came just from Los Angeles County.

The Election Integrity Project had documented more than 60,000 anomalies and irregularities on the voter rolls in Los Angeles County in 2013. Because the county did not respond to the report, it can be assumed that nothing was done about it, Paine said.

By 2014 the Election Integrity Project provided additional reports to the LA County Registrar. Countless citizens and citizen groups also contacted their representatives on the Board of Supervisors about voting irregularities. The Board authorized an internal audit, prior to the November 2014 election. The audit was ironically underway during the November election when the vote-by-mail data failed to make it to the polling locations.

Linda Paine was contacted by a whistle blower who told her someone in authority must have discovered that the vote-by-mail indicators were missing, but did nothing about it. There are too many checks and balances in place for it to be missed.

Following the 2014 election, armed with five years of data of voting irregularities and anomalies (2011–2015), the California Committee for the US Civil Rights Commission reviewed the Election Integrity Project’s research and determined that a public hearing was warranted. On August 28, 2015 California citizens from across the state testified of their eyewitness accounts of “how chaos and corruption was destroying the integrity of California’s election process,” Paine said. But that information went nowhere.

I see dead people

Hundreds of “dead voters” were uncovered in Southern California right before the June 2016 Primary, the majority of them in Los Angeles County. Some of these deceased voters have even been voting for years, the Los Angeles Times reported.

California Globe recently reported over 458,000 California registrants who have likely died or moved would be be mailed ballots this year.

Fraudulent dead voters are concerning, but election and voter fraud at the ballot box is an even bigger problem in close races.

Paine and EIP have been calling on Congress to investigate since no state officials in the California Democrat echo chamber would. “Now they are listening,” Paine said after Trump’s 2017 announcement opening an investigation into election fraud.

But where did that investigation go? In 2018, President Trump dismantled his voter fraud commission, Fox News reported. On social media, Trump accused “Democrat States” of refusing to turn over information requested by the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity – tasked with investigating alleged voter fraud in the 2016 election – because “they know that many people are voting illegally.”

“System is rigged,” Trump said, calling for more stringent voter ID laws.

If the voter rolls throughout the country were purged of dead voters, and voter I.D. laws were passed, the Democrats would lose millions of their voters.

Secretary Padilla told POLITICO criticism from Republicans appears “an attempt to smear the pro-voter policies that we have” in California, including newer efforts that he said were designed to “empower voters to decide for themselves who they feel most comfortable with” in returning their ballot — especially if they are older or handicapped and need assistance in doing so.

“What they call strange and bizarre,” he said, “we call democracy.’’

[californiaglobe.com]

Krunoslav 9 Nov 6
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Great post. I read it from start to finish.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely and most people can’t see the signs in their own democratic processes.
The USA was the bastion of hope and look at it. If anybody thinks Trump fought this for him self they are mentally ill.
Let’s see if Biden gives his salary to the Vets?
Trump battled the main stream media, social media, the deep state, the UN, China and the establishment to which most Americans will never be a part of. They failed to understand the options they were given, people like Soros played them with his money and his evil. The media was the message and the truth got buried and censored. Americans only caught a glimpse of Biden and his family and he sold them everything they didn’t want and they bought his enchilada - his VP was the give-away she’s a communist!

Rick-A Level 8 Nov 6, 2020

Yup.

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How far America has fallen

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Happy to see people who knowingly voted twice being punished.

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I stopped reading after your factually-incorrect intro.

Trump is to[sic] civilized to win by rules that do not apply anymore

Is that why in the 2016 election and now in this election he has absolutely refused to say he'd accept the results if he lost? And why he has continuously thrown out the narrative that he 100% could not lose unless it was rigged? And why he and his supporters want the votes to keep being counted in states he is losing, but wants the votes to stop being counted in states he is winning?

In what "old standards" did Trump win? If you mean strictly in-person, you are probably right, but that doesn't matter since absentee / mail-in voting has been legal for decades. Even the president voted through mail-in, so of course he is hypocritical and thinks the rules don't apply to himself. I am not sure what you mean by "new standards of counting" for Biden, though? You mean by actually counting all the votes? How is that new? In my home-state of Pennsylvania, the GOP legislature specifically set a rule that absentee / mail-in ballots could not be counted until after polls closed on election day - so it isn't like all of those Biden votes just magically appeared, they just started to count them. Of course this is most likely corruption to make it seem like all of these votes are illegitimate, allowing the so-called "red mirage" to question anything less than a full Trump victory. Trump and his sycophants know that they cannot win without cheating.

I think you have TDS.

@Tarpon

The definition of TDS:

@JacksonNought
Took you long enough. You have to admit the left sucks at memes. Let the Salt Flow.

@Tarpon

@JacksonNought Good One.

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