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"50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, London School of Economics study says" [cbsnews.com]

I'm shocked. Maybe we just need to give Brownback and Trump one more try at the state and national levels! That could do the trick!

WilyRickWiles 8 Feb 14
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this is fake news, there is no such thing as trickledown theory. Its a straw man developed by the left because they don't understand economics.

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50 years of communism only led to death and poverty, failing to bring about utopia. I'm shocked🙄, maybe we just need to try it one more time, that could do the trick!

Tom81 Level 8 Feb 15, 2021

Exactly what popped into my head. LOL

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Most people have no clue from where civilization came or what maintains it, all they see is the perks.

Liberals seem to be the most ignorant in this regard. As a wise man once said you have to be well educated to know what you don't know. You also have to have one other quality which is you have to want to know. Willful ignorance is no different than any other. What they don't want to know is the true and mixed motives behind "Liberal" programs. For example does anyone really believe that what motivated Stalin was the spread of communism? For those who want control liberalism and communism are just a means to an end. An end they didn't have the skill to acquire through non political means.

When I say mixed motives it means that you can't boil anything as complicated as a society or a person down to just a few simple rules. Yes Lyndon Johnson was bitter about growing up poor white trash. That doesn't mean he wasn't serious when he said that the great society would keep minorities oppressed and voting Democrat. The Hillarys and Pelosis fall into a similar mind set. They only give free stuff when it serves their interests. What they are really giving away is the labor of the working class for whom they have nothing but contempt. It's not the rich that despise the poor but the social climbers like the Pelosis and Clintons. The rich just don't care about the poor.

Over the course of the last couple decades society has traded real wealth for digital baubles. Making people like Mark Zuckerberg disproportionately rich. Transferring power to those with little understanding of real wealth or experience in making real things work. Creating the unholy alliance of Liberals and the ultra rich. The nouveau riche, a kind of new petite nobility. A group of people that include bansters like Romney. The results have been predictable. Failing primary education, massive homelessness, bankrupt cities and states, failing infrastructure, energy dependence and failing power grids, unnatural disasters such as wild fires and mud slides, the transfer of real wealth to our enemies, exploration of foreign labor both domestically and abroad, hopelessness and drug abuse, a revolutionary working class, corrupt higher education, rioting poor, bread and circus, alienated allies, foreign wars, a helpless generation, corrupt politicians and political instability.

wolfhnd Level 8 Feb 15, 2021
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All depends on what you want. If you want "equality" of assets, just tax the hell out of whoever has more money. Of course, you'll kill the profit motive and innovation, but at least you'll have something like economic equality.

Of course, if you want more money for the federal government, that doesn't work. After a time, the government, which produces nothing, becomes the owner of everything and the the producer of nothing. Then it gets ugly, because rather than money, power becomes the unit of exchange.

Why do people yammer on about lower taxes? Well, most people who pay taxes would rather pay less. But there's sound economic reasoning beyond that IF the intent is to put more money into government coffers.

Why do stores run sales at Christmas? There IS a reason, and most retailers (brick and mortar or online) make their nut from October thru December. Why do they do this? Why do lower tax rates put more money into government coffers, not less? For that matter, why does the track run on 2 dollar bets?

There is a reason.

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You are pretty out of touch. It's not your daddy's London School of Economics.

There is nothing voodoo about low taxes, deficit spending and deregulation. A ten year old could understand that level of thought on stimulus.

To the intellectual community it's all in the name, or to be more precise the linguistics. Trickle down sounds vulgar to their finely tuned aesthetics. What sounds good to them is what Jimmy Carter tried, social engineering of the unwashed masses. Those smelly, Walmart shopping, deplorables. Carter may have been a good Nuclear Engineer but he was a terrible human engineer and economist. Not as idiotic as Marx but working on it.

It's not what people say it's what they do that counts. When you examine the "liberal" policies they are transparently designed to eliminate the middle class. If you get rid of the middle class they won't be messing up the champagne socialist's world. No smelly Walmarts in their neighborhoods, nobody cluttering up their vacation spots, plenty of room for them to "pollute" as much as they want with their air travel, plenty of money left over to fund pointless academics, no lowly people who can't afford electric cars cluttering their roads, no racial problems because the minorities will be unable to leave their ghettos accept to clean the liberals houses and mow their lawns, freedom to export as much pollution and slave labor as they want, no stupid people running around the country spreading disease, it would be a virtual paradise.

wolfhnd Level 8 Feb 14, 2021

It's this simple. In modern capitalism we:

  1. Bid up the assets of the wealthy
  2. Cut the taxes on the passive income the wealthy make from their assets
  3. Divest from public goods

It's a way to engineer similar to historical rates of return for the wealthy as the population ages and educational attainment increases among "middle class" young people. The latter would empower workers if they weren't kept precarious by debt, underemployment, and unaffordable public goods. A ten year old could figure it out.

@WilyRickWiles You are far out in left field, that’s all I need to say

@WilyRickWiles

That has the function of hiding the hyperinflation of printed money for social programs. It dampens overall consumption. All those zeros behind the transferred "wealth". The poor have no money to engage in hyper consumption and the rich are not numerous enough to break the system.

You can tax the rich all you want it doesn't create real wealth. Wealth only comes from labor, energy and industry. Two of which you liberal thinking geniuses have always been against. Labor that until Trump both the Democrats and the Republicans ignored. In the modern economy the only thing transferring money to the rich does as a practical matter is dampen consumption and give them political power. There are only so many yachts, Llamborghinis, and vacation homes the rich will want.

Everything your type wants is promoted by transfer to the rich. Lower consumption, less use of fossil fuels, it creates demand for the development of all the extras of civilization such as medical care, the arts, education etc.. What gets ignored is energy production, infrastructure, non service labor, flood control, mineral exploration, so on and so forth. If you transfer money to the "working class" the necessity for all the "evil" things you hate would go up. I would think you would be happy.

@wolfhnd "Wealth only comes from labor, energy and industry." Yes, and as the study showed, GDP was the same regardless of policy. So the question is who benefits from that production via tax and social policy.

@WilyRickWiles

Because of complexity who benefits becomes fairly subjective.

The important thing is that money and wealth are not the same thing. Money isn't even power as proven by Clinton's presidential run. The early history of Rome shows that virtue is more powerful even than wealth. It was again proven during the Vietnam war when ethnocentrism proved more powerful than wealth. The Vietnamese proved it again a few years later when they defeated the Chinese. The virtue in question is however clearly subjective.

What is insane is thinking the little guy is more virtuous than the powerful. There are cheaters all the way up and down the social economic scale. The little people are just confined by the rules. They still find ways to cheat but with less latitude. You can turn the common equation around and say the powerful that don't cheat are more virtuous than the less powerful that don't cheat. It comes down to temptation. In U.S. mythology it is personified by Washington stepping away from power.

In the civilized state you cannot build a morality on equity, diversity and inclusion because civilization is too dependent on competency. Our greatest sin is allowing the incompetent to gain power. I think Pelosi and McConnell illustrate that. Political hacks in power for decades. By the failures of Obama and the successes of Trump. It's why people with common sense hate crony capitalism and socialism equally.

Because of complexity morality is defined by how you play the game as much as the rules. By any means necessary is corruption itself and it is tearing apart the establishment especially the Democratic Party.

@wolfhnd Never said anything about virtue or morality, or the little guy having more of it. But I think it is good for every individual to have agency over their means of survival.

@WilyRickWiles

And you never will address the role of agency in social failure.

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