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Russia and Ukraine! War is not unusual I am told! Look at history and all the WAR's and humanity has survived all of them! That all changed on July 16th 1945 with the Trinity nuclear test. Humanity now has the ability to wipe itself from existence. Ukraine War? Not a trigger for a major nuclear exchange? I am told that also! BULLSHIT!

Arty 7 Dec 19
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I have been told that presenting the evidence of the dangers involved in military action against the largest nuclear armed country in the world is fear mongering? I my opinion having a realistic fear of forcing a nuclear exchange between the major powers is normal. And the worst is that one of those powers has a first strike policy and that would be the USA.

Arty Level 7 Dec 19, 2022
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Only if two superpowers with thousands of warheads start exchanging them is there any global threat. The "nuclear winter" stuff was crappola.
Nukes are just bigger bangs. They will be used.

A real threat? Some Ahole in a lab (mebbe in Wuhan, mebbe in Ukraine) weaponizing a bug. What is really disturbing is that that threat, a bug that wipes out 95% of humanity, is precisely what the liberals want. I say "liberals" since that is what they called themselves a decade or so again when 3-400 of them met in a tech conference in Waco, Tx. A whiny little Sh** got up and said "what we really need to heal 'Mother Earth' from the environmental cancer that is humanity is a bug that kills humanity". He got a standing ovation from the entire bunch.

That's all true. Just more toys for these brain dead morons to plot humanities demise without including themselves as part of that cancer. They have to survive "For the good of Mother Earth"

@Arty the reason why they plan to depopulate is because lower population means easier control. If it's not only for that reason, then it's certainly in the list.

@eschatologyguy Depopulation cannot be immediate. They first have to cull out those with the backbone and foresight to resist. The NPC's and CNN addicts can be used as cannon fodder to help that out.
Once culled, widespread murder can occur -- like all previous communist regimes get around to eventually.

@eschatologyguy, @Arty What is so frustrating is that sufficient clues, like in the piccie, were amply scattered about.

@bobbo666 If I just learned it from a meme, it wouldn't have made a difference to me. I would have needed to hear it for myself. And I have heard it for myself. It is noteworthy that the excemption includes the US postal service

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It is true; there is nothing new about War and warfare. All through time small and weak clans, villages, towns, cities, nations, cultures all were aggressively "absorbed" by larger, stronger more advanced Nations and Cultures.

iThink Level 9 Dec 19, 2022
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So, there were no wars fought between 1945 and now?

The Ukraine war is just as much a trigger for nuclear war as was the Korean War, Afghan wars, Vietnam, Iraq, etc where a major nuclear power directly fought in a war against a nation supported by other nuclear powers.

Hanno Level 8 Dec 19, 2022

You are comparing all of history with just 77 years. How many times do we get to the edge of the precipice without a miss step.

@Arty
No, I am comparing the last 77 years with the Ukraine war.

You are again fear mongering.
The Ukraine war, terrible as it is, is no worse a trigger than the wars I mentioned above.

The risk of significant nuclear exchange is very low still.

NATO will not go nuclear because Russia can fully respond. Russia won’t go nuclear because Ukraine is not worth the destruction of all Russia.

The exact same reasons the Cold War stayed nuclear free still stands today.

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Nuclear weapons guaranteed they will never be used.

angelo Level 8 Dec 19, 2022

I like your certainty. It dosent stand up to the facts but it would be nice if you were right.

@Arty The world is too full of deluded, insane leaders that MAD is no longer a guarantee. Most geopolitical analysts think it's coming. But that's not, along with more serious pandemics, man-made famines and economic downturns, our only causes for concern. NASA had posted an item about this in 2011, but then edited it out in 2013. It was roughly the same as this one below before editing.

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@Arty
What facts?

77 years of post nuclear wars where nuclear powers lost and lost badly against non-nuclear powers supported by proxy by other nuclear powers.
Afghanistan (twice), Vietnam, Korea, Georgia, now Ukraine and next year Taiwan.

I am not saying nuclear war will not happen, however you are propagating the idea that we should just let nuclear powers attack and conquer non-nuclear powers?
This was never allowed before and the nuclear power often ended up with a blood nose and going home tail between legs.

Now, the merits of Ukraine and Russia and the plight of the Ukrainian peoples under either western or eastern rule is another discussion Z
However your argument that Ukraine should just roll over and no is to help them because Russia has nuclear weapons is completely unjustified.

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It is a trigger. And so are other things triggers. WW3 is just not happening now. More wars coming before WW3.

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It only takes one finger on the button, IMHO!!!!!

Serg97 Level 8 Dec 19, 2022

Accidents are IMHO the most likely cause of humanities downfall.

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