I was hoping for an intelligent conversation based on fact.

@WayneHawthorne I'm just quoting the reasons msm and 'medical experts' have given.
Why do you think there's been a massive spike in cardiac issues since the roll out of the vaccines (particularly in the fit and the young)?

@Tom81 very good point and how about the children they normally don't have heart trouble that early in life!

They honestly state that they do not yet know the full details of how myocarditis is initiated. The virus has caused myocarditis, and vaccine is implicated in either causing or failing to suppress the condition. Throughout history vector type vaccines have been implicated in rare cases of myocarditis. But then more than 5 million have died without the vaccine. Pick your poison, at least we abandoned blood-letting and searing with a hot iron.

@WayneHawthorne let's say for argument's sake that the virus has been causing these cardiac issues - how would you explain that there wasn't a huge spike in these issues at the start of the pandemic (when there where high infection rates according to official numbers) and pre vaccine roll out? If anything, the stats for cardiac related deaths went down if the numbers are to be believed.
And if the vaccine does 'protect' you from covid, why have the most vaccinated regions and countries seen the biggest spikes in cases?
Bare facts seem to indicate that the most vaccinated areas have also had the biggest spikes of covid cases and cardiac issues - the correlation is there regardless of the mechanism that causes it.

@WayneHawthorne so i have myocarditis? because i was critical with viral pneumonia? i guess they will let me know or should i be checking with my new doctor..... i will let you know what he find in Jan!
Dana (@DLoesch / @DanaLoeschRadio) is joined by Dr. Robert Malone (@RWMaloneMD), the inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform, on the difference between traditional vaccines and the ‘vaccines’ the world governments are trying to shove in our arms. It’s amazing that actual scientific data on the negative effects of these COVID vaccines, is being suppressed online and by government agencies like the WHO, CDC, the NIH and others - while simultaneously suppressing the effective treatments that have proven to work against COVID.

Globally there are a growing number of adverse effects from this vaccine - and what also grows is the censorship and oppression of that information - while they continue to sell us on ENDLESS BOOSTERS.

@1patriot Sorry to hear you developed myocarditis. I also developed it from the side effects of Poly Myalgia Rheumatica. I weaned myself off steroids and get by with natural anti-inflammatory. I look for the positives in R&D and ignore the global conspiracy theorists.

@WayneHawthorne LOL you think i got it, but i haven't been tested so i will let you know what my doctor says i have had a ultra sound of my heart ordered by my doctor in his test but i don't feel any thing wrong but either way i will let you know!

@WayneHawthorne [rumble.com]
Doctor Daniel Nagase, in an exclusive interview with the Western Standard, reviewed recently-released safety data on Pfizer-BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine.

Nagase came under fire for giving patients an unapproved treatment for COVID-19 while working in Alberta hospitals in September and was banned from working in Alberta Health Services facilities.

Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency (PHMPT) is a nonprofit organization comprised of public health and medical professionals, scientists and journalists dedicated to “obtain and disseminate the data relied upon by the FDA to license COVID-19 vaccines.”

On August 27, four days after the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine for ages 16 and up, PHMPT submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file.

The FDA has since released a package of documents to PHMPT including “post-authorization adverse event reports” received through the end of Feb 2021