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Best post I’ve read today,
Yeah about Ukraine…

Perfectly Lawful and Legal and Unfortunate

People keep wondering what to think about the situation in Ukraine. Many are still believing what they hear on the news.

When the old Russian Federation broke up, and Russia released the Ukraine as an independent country it came with the proviso that if there was evidence of criminality, genocide, international threats to Russia on Ukrainian soil, etc. Russia could come back in and secure the situation. This is part of Russia's obligation to the rest of the world as well as a matter of Russian security.

So, Ukraine was free to be its own country, with the understanding that they were going to be good little international citizens. And if they got out of hand, Russia would come back in and clean things up.

Following Ukrainian independence in 1991, the Usual Suspects piled on. It was like a gold rush. Drug smuggling. Human trafficking. Arms sales. Counterfeiting. Organ harvesting. Oil privateering. Every sordid nasty dirty business in the world was imported to Ukraine, by all the Agencies, the "US Corp", the DOD, the Mobs of various nations, and associated corporations like Blackwater and Halliburton and on and on and on. All the Dirty Deal Guys showed up like gangbangers.

And everyone including Russia just shook their heads. It was business as usual for the Ollie Norths of the world.

Predictably, some Ukrainian oligarchs floated to the top of the cesspit and became politicians.

The whole situation took an exponential leap downward during the Obama Administration, when Joe Biden and members of the US CONGRESS got involved in paying the oligarchs tons of helicopter money for their personal support on one hand, and taking billions out of the Ukrainian economy on the other.

It was just a shameless wholesale sell out of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine. Their oil pillaged, their trade policies manipulated, their entire country opened up to every kind of vice, but the final straw was the DOD opening up over a dozen bioweapon laboratories in Ukraine.

So, Russia invoked its treaty proviso and came in to clean the situation up and as Vladimir Putin said, "take the garbage out" --- not because they wanted to spend all that money and risk their lives and take all the abuse that the propaganda machine can throw --- but because otherwise, they'd have all those stockpiles of chemical and biological weapon on their back door step, along with all the other nastiness that was already going on.

We have to note that Ukraine was a backup roosting place for the Vermin in the event that their plans for China didn't work out to their liking, but China woke up and decided not to eat the tapeworm, which took that port in a storm off the table and put the pressure back on Ukraine.

What Russia is doing is perfectly lawful and legal and unfortunate. Nobody wanted it to come to this, but at the same time, the people of Ukraine had lost control and the crime syndicates and NATO idiots were endangering everyone in the region. Russia had the proviso and they exercised it, and nobody can say that all those chemical and bioweapon laboratories and all the rest of it, were not sufficient provocation.

Oh. Except for the feckless News Media in this country and the spokespersons for the Biden Administration. (Think about that as a Career Killer -- spokesperson for the Biden Administration?) They like to endlessly repeat their little catch-phrase about "unprovoked attack by Russia" and shake their heads as if they just can't imagine why Russia would do such a thing?

They know why Russia did it. They are the reason. They created the problem that Russia is stuck cleaning up. Joe and Hunter Biden were in there, as we all know, influence peddling, and threatening, and paying off payola left and right. So was Nancy Pelosi's son. So was Mitt Romney's son. Half a dozen members of Congress were directly up to their tidy whities in it, robbing the people of Ukraine, stealing "foreign aid", etc., etc., etc.

Yet, here are the Arch-Hypocrites, attempting to blame Russia for cleaning up their mess? Rich, isn't it?

I am ashamed to be from the same part of the world as Biden, Pelosi, and Romney. I am frustrated that people are still mistaking America for "the US" corporation cesspool. And most of all I am tired and anxious and shouting for the American people to wake up!

We all wish that Ukraine could have and would have found the means to establish a strong and moral government for itself back in 1991, but we see what happened instead. They became a resource for pirates, endangered themselves, and by letting the crooks including DOD and NATO run rampant, they were also endangering the rest of the world.

Tough as it is, say, aye, Vladimir Putin. Thank you, Russia. And to the people of Ukraine, we know you are, for the most part, innocent victims of the oligarchs and their western Sugar Daddies. Make it easy on yourselves. Stay home and step back. Let Russia clean out the Vermin for you. You'll be glad you did.

If the US/Ukrainian oligarchy had been allowed to continue, the vicious animals would have come in and used a pretext to engage in war on your beautiful land.

They would have done what they did in Iraq and polluted it will dirty bombs and dirty artillery shells and ruined your land for farming for generations. Then they would have gone home and jerked up the price of food for everyone ten times over, because your produce, your wheat, and everything else wouldn't be there to compete against them.

These mean and diabolical criminals always have ten axes to grind. They always figure to win, if not one way, then by another. Take it from the Americans. We've been dealing with them for 160 years. We know what they do. We know how they think.

And you are all better off letting Vladimir Putin take out the garbage for you. Believe it or not.
-AVR

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I figured Americans were involved in there somewhere or somehow. I believe what you write. Thanks.

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Thank you for posting this.

This is exactly the type of view I was looking for.

I am not saying that the view is correct, but it does highlight a lot information missing in the official narrative we are fed.

Hanno Level 8 Mar 2, 2022

There is more than one side to this story. I just thought I would share the other side. The left and MSM have lied time and time again. I will not believe them now.

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This is...narrow, to say the least. The Budapest Memorandum is one factor. But, much, MUCH deeper is the blood debt that Russia owes Ukraine in the minds of Ukrainians. It is apparent that the Ukrainians have a somewhat different take on the matter of their government's corruption than the liberator Putin. Putin didn't act in a vacuum. He was "invited," in much the same way that China is determining what to put on it's RSVP card concerning its invitation to Taiwan.

We asked for it when we became energy dependent and, inescapably, so did Europe.

This did not have to be. Another stunning blunder---and this administration has been in power for barely a year.

This is just today’s favorite post that I’m sharing. Since everyone is trashing Putin, I like to pass on the other side of the story. This is a part of what I’ve heard so far .Actually officials from 2 areas of Ukraine approached Putin 3 weeks ago for help or it’s when he promised he would help them, not certain of the timeline. (Please forgive my writing because my vocabulary is limited) These 2 areas, I’m guessing are like states. They see the corruption that is going on and don’t want to be involved and requested to be recognized by Russia and not Ukraine. They are Russian, speak Russian and want to be part of Russia. My understanding is they are the ones that informed Putin of NATO’s intentions as well. Zelenske refused to negotiate.

@FEWI
I appreciate that the factors you bring up are not to be tossed away. They ARE relevant.

In addition to the energy debacle, we dangled the bright shiny object called NATO in front of Ukraine and Putin.

They could have remained Eastern Europe's version of Switzerland in E. Europe. That could have been a real benefit to Russia AND Europe. Now, Russia---if Putin's successful---will be right at NATO's doorstep.

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So you side with an autocratic theocrat who murders his own political opponents and journalists?

No, the post wasn’t about the Clintons.

@parsifal har har. You'd be making FDR jokes during the Holocaust.

@JacksonNought So you side with the group that has strong neo-nazi ties like the Azov Battalion?

@Tom81 so then you are also against the USA because of strong neo-nazi ties, and would cheer on our invasion?

The president of Ukraine is a Jew whose family died in the Holocaust. Ukraine is a sovereign nation being invaded by a theocratic despot who murders his own people. Conservatives are only cheering on Putin because they can excuse murder and authoritarianism when it is under the guise of Christian Nationalism.

@JacksonNought give us the history of the region, oh wise one...who granted the Ukraine independence? Who has parked bio-weapons labs and sophisticated military hardware on the border of Russia? Who assured whom that NATO would not be expanding?

Closer to home, what was the US response to ICBMs being shipped to Cuba in 1960? Or North Korea testing missiles just a few years ago?

Seems like you’re a “Do as I say, not do as I do” kinda man! Lol

@parsifal do you support Putin, yes or no?

@JacksonNought wrong on so many levels, but keep entertaining us with your black & white, one sided posts.

@Tom81 I dunno, you seem to be repeating Putin propaganda talking points here.

@JacksonNought I support peace...you?

@parsifal 100%. The peaceful thing to do is not have a power-hungry autocrat invade a sovereign nation.

@JacksonNought Care to review the invading of a sovereign nation by the US?

Or review the assurances to Gorbachev (several times) that NATO nations would not expand east “one inch”

Do as I say not as I do doesn’t make for a good international policy.

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Corrupt US politicians like to use Ukraine as a site for money-laundering.

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