2nd whistleblower comes forward with first hand knowledge.
Now even some Republican senators are expressing concern, and others are now saying Trump asking China to investigate was likely a joke! Why dismiss it as a joke of you're not concerned with the content?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.The King James translates Genesis 1:2 with the earth as formless and void. In Latin it comes out as, inane et vacua. Empty and vacuous. And that's what every hyperventilating accusation against Trump has amounted to, empty and vacuous.
So let's wait a few days and see if this accusation actually takes form.
timon_phocas
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Oct 6, 2019
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@ObiRonMoldy around 3 years or so?
This is why. Because everything the Democrats have done with the "Russian" collusion probe was a total lie, a con job. They did it for two reasons. One was to tie up the whole country including the feds law enforcement agencies from looking at the corruption of the Obama administration which was rampant. Two they thought to frame Trump for what they actually did. Collude with foreign governments to help elect the Democrat. So they put the country through hell. Lied 24\7 on the airwaves for three years about it. Got fully exposed. so now they get a do over on "collusion" 2.0? No freaking way! First off they colluded with the Ukrainian government to get Hillary elected. Secondly there is real corruption that they are trying to cover up by this. Exactly as they did with the Russian collusion scam for the exast same reasons.
Now on top of all of this. There isn't a law against "colluding" with a foreign government to help your election. I said this a and posted it all over social media in 2015-16. Democrat's have been colluding with foreign governments for decades to get elected. Not just that but both Clinton and Obama have been busted by the FEC taking foreign donations which is actually illegal. Since you can't throw presidents in jail for this they got fined. If Trump "colluded" with Russia. which I have my doubts about. Democrats are just angry that he beat them at their own game they have played for decades. Secondly. Russia has every right to seek to influence our elections if they think it is in their national interest. Especially in light of Obama blowing up the middle east which is a direct threat to Russian interests. If they don't have the right then what gives our nation the right to interfere in other countries elections which we do all the time. In Obama's and Bill Clintons case. Not in the best interests of the world but to its detriment.
DanMartinovich
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Oct 6, 2019
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The real corruption you refer to is of the legal lobbying sort--i.e. Hunter Biden. And I'd love if we lived in a world where that sort of thing were illegal and investigated. But Trump is not going after Hunter. He's going after Joe, inexplicably, for acting against Hunter's lobbying interest! Hunter got nothing but his paycheck and Joe got nothing out of the decision--he was acting in interest of the United States and its allies, as demonstrated by other officials at the time. Trump is using his office to try to twist the arms of foreign officials to lend credibility to an otherwise baseless propaganda narrative.
Clinton and Obama's violations were not at the same level as Trump's. These are John Edwards-level felony violations.
[citizensforethics.org]
The fact that the Republicans are protecting Hillary at this point shows their hand.
[opensecrets.org]
@ObiRonMoldy
First off. He fully cooperated with the special council. He did not obstruct them . He did nothing and had nothing to hide and that investigation consumed more than two years of his presidency.
So not only did he not obstruct justice. He didn’t do anything that he could obstruct the wheels of justice about. Plus it is not justice that would have been obstructed anyway. Now he is being told he has to cooperate with another witch hunt exactly like the first one. If he chooses to not cooperate he is not obstructing justice but obstructing his political opponents nefarious agenda to destroy his presidency.
I’ll say this again about “colluding.” There is no law against “colluding.” What the heck did everyone think Obama was doing in Europe holding campaign rallies? Colluding!
The whole stinking world wanted Obama to win the presidency. They thought he was the messiah. The world was in on Obama becoming president. He was going to bring the USA down a few notches and the world thought that was in their best interests. . What a disaster Obama was for the entire world.
So while the idea of foreign nations influence in our elections is distasteful. I’m sorry. That is the world globalists in the Democrat and Republican parties created. Trump is running against that world. He has a different idea on what will make the world a better place for everyone. He thinks a strong and moral USA is the answer. Not a weak USA that is just one of many and indistinguishable from the rest of the world’s nations. I happen to agree.
One of my favorite political podcasters compared Trump's declarations to Idi Amin. Despite being a cold blooded murderer, Amin could be very charming and comedic. He would declare things like, "This dentist did a terrible job, it would be a shame if something happened to him." And then his followers would follow through. Not that unlike Trump.
And let's be honest, joke or not, Trump actually does want China to "investigate" Biden just like he wanted Russia to go after Hillary's emails. And the whole party is in on this. Sebastian Gorka flew with Mike Pompeo to Europe the other day to investigate "Obamagate." They are using all levers of the federal government to generate a propaganda narrative, something normally the responsibility of outside people like Steve Bannon and Peter Schweitzer. It does not matter to them whether they substantiate anything, what matters is that they twist the arm of foreign leaders to lend the appearance of third party credibility.
And it's the Republicans' fault that this happened. With the tea party wave and Trump's election and the years of nativist pandering that preceded them, they gave the keys to the outside shadow party constructed by people like the Kochs and Mercers.
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