May be we should go back to the days of horse and buggy, shit covered streets that were ground to dust and breathed by the people that lived in the cities and every time it rained turned to open sewers that ran into nearby water ways. those where the good old day's of cholera and dysentery.

I simply wish we could just have a chart that everyone agrees on, where we could see the pros and cons to all energy types, instead of having to deal with politic rhetoric that picks and chooses what it believes.

For example, everyone driving electric cars, believing that they're doing "their part" to save the environment, probably doesn't give any thought as to how much pollution was generated to make their car relative to a gasoline-powered car, nor how much pollution is generated to create the electricity used to power their car, nor the pollution that will be generated - again, relative to a gasoline-powered car - at the end of an electric car's lifecycle, when you now have to deal with the batteries. I've seen at least a couple studies suggest that the carbon footprint of an electric car could ultimately be more than TWICE that of a gas-powered car...but that gets completely left out of the narrative, doesn't it?

We can't come to consensus so long as don't admit the problems with our suggested solutions.

Leftist are trapped in the nutshell of "which energy source is best".
The answer is all of them. The prime goal is to make energy as cheap as possible, and this is done by maximizing all forms of energy.

Each energy source is unique. You need methane for hydrogen production, you need coal for metal smelting, and you need oil for vehicle fuel. You can't do without any of these.

Agreed.
Intergenerational wealth and environmental externalities made this country great, which is to say--- wealth is built, and if it is to be used in any meaningful way, will necessarily be diffused through the creation of jobs producing environmental changes. Think roads, agriculture, medicine, power grid,
infrastructure, technology, etc.

You can do nothing without energy. I'm for solar power. Solar power created oil, coal and gas, energy put into the form of a "battery," stored power. And I'll take nuclear any time as well---more stored power.

Yes, we need more intergenerational wealth for oil barons and intergenerational environmental externalities for the rest of us!