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The war in Ukraine! How do We see it? There is the Pro USA side and then the Pro Russia side? One side is clearly right? The USA is clearly defending FREEDOM? Russia is clearly defending Its BORDER? "REALITY" There are two NUCLEAR ARMED POWERS ON THE VERGE OF WAR" OK let Me describe the result of this nuclear war really happening! A NUCLEAR WINTER! Look it up! Take the time to find out what a NUCLEAR winter is! Take the time to find out what world wide radiation poisoning is! Most importantly THINK!

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Let ukrain and russia work it amongst themselves. We have enough problems in our own country to deal with! No one, in this day and age is stupid enough to go nuclear!!!!!!

Men can have periods and get pregnant ? Not stupid enough????

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Do keep in mind that the powers presently in charge in the US are not pro-American. They have nothing but contempt for freedom of any sort that does not give them more power and money. This has never before been the case here in the US.

So, having such powerfuls say they are for Uk, makes me immediately suspect that the UK is not what I can favor. And, looking closer brings me to the conclusion that there is little about Uk that I can support. Too bad for the folks there caught up in this mess, but the same could be said for those Americans stuck with commit trash in charge here.

That does not make be pro-Russian.

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A true and logical "pro USA side" would be a demand for USA to stay out of that fight all together. Stop sending support of any kind to the Ukraine.

iThink Level 9 Nov 11, 2022
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Nuclear war IS coming. Just not today.

I must disagree with that sentiment.

@iThink That it is coming? Or that it's not happening now? I think you would agree that only hindsight can settle this. Personally, I'm pretty confident that its not happening now.

@eschatologyguy of course nobody knows what future holds. I maintain the position that nuclear war is not imminent. That kind of talk is designed to manipulate and to scare the hell out of the populous.
Nuclear war is its own deterrence. Everyone knows that it means certain destruction on a scale so large that literally every living soul if he survives the beginning will have nothing but profound suffering for whatever length of time he has before death relieves his misery.
I'm pretty sure Putin and all the rest know this is true. ergo - deterrence.
The knowledge that Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is a no win fact of the matter is the real force of deterrence.
As you allude it is within the realm of possibility but I do not see it in the realm of probability.

@iThink I'm pretty sure nuke-mageddon is coming in a little less than 2 decades. Its going to be a short one, just 45 days long. Unbelievable? I know. But I believe in prophecy, rightly unpacked. Want to read something facinating? This is about prophecy, rightly unpacked, being 100% accurate. Its about the exact date of the Triumphal Entry, prophesied 483 years ahead of time.

[reasonsforhopejesus.com]

This above has the benefit of hindsight. So we can know and guage its accuracy. My blathering about nuke-maggedon doesn't have that benefit. But its happening. That's why I keep telling people to move to the countryside, away from big cities.

@eschatologyguy
I do not ascribe to "prophecy" like that. I am not a fatalist. I do not believe the future is fixed or that there is such thing as one person for whom a man was meant to marry. I do not believe there is such thing as a persons predetermined time to die.

There is no such thing as destiny. A person can only work and prepare himself so far and in order to give himself the best hedge possible against "bad stuff" that happens - has always happened and will always happen. Drought, Disease, War, Accident, Depression etc. The only way to know if the 20 year look ahead is accurate is to live at least 20 years from now and see if it then comes true. So far I know of no such cases or examples of that phenomena occurring.

As I said before "MAD" is possible - in that realm it could happen at any moment. Or not at all. We cannot know. That information is not available to the mortal man (to take a line from Paul Simon - Slip Slidin' Away)

All I know is that everything in the Universe is in constant motion on a trajectory to who knows where. Eventually everything we see, know, love, fear, desire...will become mere dust in the winds of time. I can hope (and I do) that there is something for us on the other side of this "mortal coil"" (to borrow from Dylan Thomas) and that so much more will be revealed to us. I also hope God is forgiving and merciful because He KNOWS that none of us deserve it - not really.

In my mind God is not nor has He ever been interventionist. If we have nuclear death tomorrow or 20 years from now God has no hand in that.

I like that line of dialog from one of the Terminator movies - "There is no fate but what we make". And I will add that we can never really predict or know what consequence may or may not occur from any decisions - good or bad that we may make today.

@iThink

If we have nuclear death tomorrow or 20 years from now God has no hand in that.

I don't believe God will be causing it either.

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There are also a large group of people who are neither on US or Russia side. We are the people who actually try to understand what is going on and trying to learn.

Then neither side is clearly right or wrong. This war is much more complex than that. Understanding US and NATO involvement is crucial to understand this war and how to stop future ones.

And finally both the “morons” in NATO and the “monsters” in Russia know that nuclear war is not an option and neither will go there over Ukraine. It is simply not that valuable.

Putin is not going to risk annihilation of Russia over losing Ukraine.
NATO has been very careful not to get directly involved to give Russia any excuse.

Nuclear war is simply not going to happen unless there is a major escalation from either NATO or Russia… we are 9 months in and no reasons have popped up to make anyone think we are about to see a nuclear escalation.

So I don’t know why you are still fear mongering?

Hanno Level 8 Nov 11, 2022

Fear Mongering? Reality is frightening! I do hope your view is correct and I am deluded in My fear of the possibilities of a Nuclear Conflict! Unfortunately Nuclear Weapons have already been used in War. Your views that these weapons won't be used is no comfort ?

With all the coke Zelensky is doing - he's a loose cannon. Thankfully he has to rely on the US/EU for weapons, and they have been pushing and pulling him back. If Zelensky was really in charge, things would probably be much worse.
Both sides are bad in their own ways, and both sides have a 'for the greater good' self righteous mentality. But this war isn't really about 2 sides, and more about a globalist struggle of empires.
There is fear mongering on both sides, pushed by the media as usual, meanwhile everyone who isn't the political/industrialist class all over the world will suffer for decisions that they're against.
As far as nuclear war goes: no one really wants to make the first move (🤔well... Zelensky did try and tell the EU that they should make a pre-emptive strike because supposedly the Russians where going to eventually do it - but that's coke psychosis for you 🤷), nuclear weapons have changed over the decades and don't necessarily have a radioactive yield, they also cost a shit ton (both financially and in terms of of the propaganda war)... but hey, we're in an era of retarded shit happening so you never know

@Tom81 I grew up during the cold war. Barely even thought about it as a kid and young man because it seemed to me that the leaders of the west and of Russia were actually rational. They might poke and prod each other and fight their little proxy wars but that's as far as it would go. I no longer think we have rational leaders in power.

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