Plus watching the MSMedia run defence for all his inexcusable gaffs . Smugly thinking they fool everyone.. Self awareness is not a leftist strong point.

@Hanno You can't compare a virtually harmless Adern . To the toxic policies composed by Democrats. Adern just signed up 2000 more police . What's Democrats doing defunding .She might virtue signal to Muslims & be a bit knee jerk in her covid response. But compared to the Tory's . Who's leader is more dislikeable than Bolger. So I'm voting for Her . Shame Winston's standing down . A Maori who kept the Maori elders in check.. Love Winnie.

@Hanno Always a pleasure to agree to disagree with a fellow Kiwi.. Good morning to you.

@Seriousreason
NZers have no idea how the Covid response and the local government changes that are being made now will influence them.
Rates will continue to go up... water rates will be seperate and additional to this and much higher than before.
Taxes will be significantly increased.
The middle class will be destroyed and we will end up with the socialist outcome... a very large poor class dependent on the government and a tiny ruler class.

This is a much larger discussion that needs a another thread.

@Hanno Don't wake me up with all your doom & gloom naysaying.. Where's your proof that Covid19 is this mighty monster of distruction
. Tin Hatty Hano. . I could personally go off the grid for 5 yrs . Fuck humanity. A true Pandemic reminiscent of the Spanish flu type death count. Isn't even near reality in this case.. Drama queen much.

@Seriousreason
Unlike you I actually work in government and are involved with these things.
Just because you don’t care about your fellow man... does not mean the rest of us don’t.
I never said Covid is the problem. I said our government response is the problem.
Covid is little more than a harsh cold... yet your PM is telling you we will all die and only she can save us.
We are going to loose our foreign professionals that make this county work because they cannot see their families.
Our national debt is planned to go from 55 to 200 billion. It has to be repaid. We are looking at an income tax increase of 10% for the middle class to do that. Facts, treasury facts.
Do you know what that will mean for us?
Do you know what is happening with our Three Waters?
No you don’t because the media is silent on this and the people who should speak up are short term bribed with the PGF and Covid initiatives.

You are the perfect person example of lack of self awareness. Fully cognisant about the US but clueless about your own country.

@Hanno
I'll wait . And if & when we crumble into a third world shit hole. I'll give you an apology. You have fair criticism of Ardern. I'll give you that much . But the forecast you advise is not doing well at the bookies..

@Hanno it is a global coup oligarchy emplacement

@Hanno
The entitlement of " being in government " therefore poo pooing what I do . Without being the slightest bit aware. Is rather presumptuous of you.
This country has a measure of checks & balances. With advisor's above & beyond that of a mere PM.
Over zealous response to this over dramatised virus is naturally going to have casualties. Food banks in Auckland are at peak. Bars , nightclubs & other densely populated social environments need to be much more self autonomous. Jacinda needs to realise this & allow Common sense opening practices.
The threat of rates going up is something new is it ?
Water has been a seperate bill in Auckland for years..
I don't see where you get the previous prediction . Tearing at the very social & financial fabric of this country. I may be alone in this assumption. If so . So be it.

@Hanno Don't care about my fellow man . Jesus Christ mate. I'm not Charles Manson..
You really do need to take a chil pill.

@Seriousreason I fully agree that I over reacted with your Tin foil hat Hanno thing...
That was out of character and wrong of me.

And yes, you are right that NZ will not fall into Third World shithole because people like me ( and I think you are also one of them) will not allow that to happen without a fight.

I am trying to explain where Ardern are taking us... and our fight to stop it... and we will succeed however we need to keep on pointing out the wrong that is being done...

Like I said it needs a seperate thread to discuss as it is a big subject.

@Hanno
We are on the same side here. That comment is very kiwi . I genuinely felt the frustration you were expressing. It has the possibility of turning to custard. I personally want to give her a chance to mature into the job. 50 murdered Muslims & a pandemic shutdown is going to test those leadership skills she's first time up..
Much respect for being a good cunt. & Taking back me being a dumby.. You are definitely a kiwi. Ale..

@Hanno plus. Plus.. plus . Tim foil hat Hano . Credit for being a good burn. But if it was reversed. I'd be pissed off to .. I reread my jab & nah far cop.. it's triggering.

@Seriousreason
All good Serious!

@Hanno
Well I feel I owe you an apology. Last weds I visited a friend of 30 yrs who I knew wasn't well. I came across locked doors that normally weren't. Only to discover his rapidly cooling corpse on his bed.
The coroners report came in earlier stating cause of death inconclusive.. Then the family were informed due to a non existent virus in Wellington . Paranoia & irrational fear dictate We have to reduce those attending the funeral by half.. What.. ? The blatant overreach of bylaws . Not backed by any sign of covid. Now deny at least a hundred mourners the choice to Pay their respects to a loved one.in person.. Disgusting.

@Seriousreason
No problems mate.... when you in Bay of Plenty again I will get you a beer at the local pub.
Very sad to hear about your friend... I think I lost it with Ardern when she made the laws limiting funerals.
I felt she made her whole persona as one of kindness... however she is not kind.

It may also be that I am unfair towards her... she is trying to do what is best in her opinion...
I just disagree with that opinion.

@Hanno Ok if we were level four . A few hundred case's running rampant. Maybe they would have a thin venier of a case. To infringe people's right to mourn family & friends.Hanno
You were right. Unseen authoritarian overreach. Is just three words. Until it effects you directly..

@Hanno
Thanks for the kind offer. Bay of Plenty is nice country.. the true impact of any governance is minimal until it effects you. directly. Hinders your freedom of movement..& decisions.

Doubtful.

@Obiwannosi
Hopefully a divided party fails miserably in November.