The happy medium, is girls. Isn't it clearly to see, that all things living in this world they all can reasonably understand what is female, that right there should mean that there shouldn't be any walls between the two just because of that, if trans people believe the same thing about who they are as real girls do, then I can't see why there is so much confrontation over this matter here. At this point it's just turned into basically the same exact thing that girls just got out of with men over the years, it's all nothing but a who says and who's right kind of thing, which it shouldn't be, if trans people have such a bad viewing of just how females really are, then don't be complaining about it to the said females you'd have a problem with just because you are trans and think women who are actually women would believe something different;y than you do, it's just that simple. It's like not even an issue to me at all even, I really can't possibly see why that trans people and femminists couldn't simply just get along, that just doesn't make any sense to me. Case and point, women are okay with being women, they have to be, they're fucking femminists, why should that matter to trans people?

I'm voting a reluctant yes, because this depends so much on the activism around trans issues. There are transsexual women (surgery + assimilation) who are feminists because of oppression they've either experienced or witnessed. There is advocacy work they can do without stomping on female boundaries. Similarly, it's possible in theory for transgender activists to do similar work (only more of it, with a deeper involvement) while honoring female boundaries. I've been in dialog with a small number of these people. In general, though, as I look at transactivism, I see attacks on boundaries (and individual women) and a philosophy of all affirmation all the time. So, in practice, I'm doubtful. But open-minded.

In the sense that we can quite easily just stick to our own lanes and not infiltrate each other's causes... yes, we can co-exist.

Trans activism doesn't have a concrete goal. And as long as part of any of their goals involves pushing for it to be okay to allow to be persuaded or guided towards something they neither understand at the abstract level, nor have the ability to fully grasp the consequences.

Trans activism as it is now is counter to a feminist stand point.

No. Nobody likes hearing this, but there isn't always a middle ground. Can women and trans women co-exist? Yep, totally. But if you think about it, while in most cases both sides want the same thing, when it comes down to -based protections/policies/rights, it has to exclude trans women. Because these -based rights are about females, and I'm sorry but if women are caving in to give over rights because of someone who's biologically male, then they're taking feminism back 30 years.

Plus where are the trans women in countries where women are second class citizens?

As long as self-ID is a thing, no.

Human rights are human rights. And I love human rights, for all humans.

But feminism is about female issues. You cannot solve female issues, if "female" is a dirty word that must not be spoken and "woman" means anyone and everyone who claims they're not a man.

We cannot pretend that predatory males no longer exist, just because genuine transwomen exist. They both exist, and predators far outnumber trans people. That's not a secret - anyone in their right mind understands that there's a small (not less important than bigger groups! but small) group of trans people. Anyone in their right mind understands that predators are much easier to come across, they're just a much bigger group.

It baffles me that there's such a huge of people who conveniently forget this, and pretend that predators would never do such a thing as speak a few words in order to get access to their preferred victims. As if predators are known to be such good people... Predators are known to even build their entire careers around the type of victims they like to target - it's really no surprise that if you rewrite all the rules to make sure a trans prefix absolves any male from any harm they might cause, that you're almost actively incentivising predators to join the club. It's never been easier.

The activist movement has effectively been taken over by them, it feels like. Perhaps not even in numbers, but behind the scenes? It's hard to tell, only hear the loudest screamers.But the cult-like practices keep even genuine, good-hearted trans people away from facing basic truths.

You shall not dissent, or you will be ex-communicated.
You would lose the community that was so supportive of you - at first. That's terrifying.

But reality still exists.

If you brutalize someone, they might seek to avoid you in the future. If they leave to seek safety and you then follow them and tell them how evil they are for not wanting to put themselves in a situation that has proven dangerous to them, that's called manipulative and abusive. It's literal victim shaming.
However, when it's in context it's genuinely accepted that hordes of males can not only brutalize females, but once those females eek out a safe corner for themselves the males are allowed to follow them right there and then blame the females for excluding them. As long as they speak the magic words "I, too, am a woman".

Yet when we look at females having their clits cut off, no magic words will let them opt-out of that. Speaking the words "I, too, am a man" does not give females the right to divorce a male that they have been bestowed on without their consent, even if they are beaten to a pulp on daily basis.

It is funny how female women's feelings still come second to male women's feelings.
That it's okay to take away female women's safety precautions, because that would work out better for male women. Yet they tell me there is literally no difference and that it does not make them misogynistic, it just makes me transphobic.

There are trans people who would be trans even on a deserted island, even if they were the last person on earth - because they genuinely feel gender dysphoria. They don't have ulterior motives, they don't do it for TikTok, their main goal in life isn't to intrude on women or to prey on them. They take entire years out of their life to shape themselves in a way that makes them more comfortable with themselves. They in and pain and much more to achieve it. And not to be in the spotlight and have receive constant validation, but only to be "just a girl" in this world, an average woman like most biological women are as well. They want a normal life, just not a normal life as a man but as a woman. I have yet to meet a single person who thinks that they don't deserve to be safe, or that they don't deserve human rights, etc. And I know they didn't go through all that, only to be put into the same category as the masses of unsavory people who now tagged along, using them as a human shield. The massive groups of people who want to be trans for much different reasons.

As long as modern trans activism includes, protects and willingly accommodates male predators, as long as they claim to be trans, it cannot mesh with feminism. The entire idea that females are permitted female rights only if males agree with them is obviously completely backwards. Females fought for their rights, to be safe. I do not think dissipating those right helps females, or women of any kind. It's a step back, not a step forward.

Who knows, maybe there will be a wave of Radical Trans Activism.

To even find a happy medium, I think we need acknowledge females and their struggles, acknowledge transwomen and their struggles, and then work to keep them safe and happy in ways that are appropriate to each of them, mindful of both the similarities ánd the differences. Not to only support one at the expense of the other. One cookie cutter solution will not accomodate both.

It's a false dilemma that one must sacrifice theirs for the other, I really believe we cán have both. But predators will fight nail and tooth to make everyone think you're either for or against, and that it's all black and white. It's not.

Women's spaces should have the right to police who comes in - and hopefully would do so with love and compassion. That includes not letting in males who have only just put on pink nail polish for the day, because that makes women unsafe. Both transwomen and biological women.
Female-only spaces should have the right to police who comes in, too. Males do not need see the reason in this and they do not need to agree, females should not need their permission to do so or be forced to set out an elaborate justification for their approval, to be sent notarized and in threefold to their offices. Especially when it's becoming increasingly easy to see that thát discussion is not being taken on in good faith, with how rapidly large swathes of people are forgetting why female rights came to be in the first place.

In the end it's women who suffer from predatory men. That's incredibly sad.
And I mean both transwomen and biological women.
Self-ID makes all women less safe.

Disclaimer: In my (current) opinion.

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Yes, when there is a more concrete definition of , and terms. Masculine and feminine, different from male and female, which is also different from man and woman yet these terms are used synonymously . Bucks are male deer, fawn are female..... biological is surrounded by us and the point of it is for reproducing, like every other living thing, i have a trans friend who was born female, so he has his ovaries still, but he was born with complications with them and the testosterone makes it worse. If he goes to the er he has to say he was born female so the people who can help him know what to do quicker and more efficiently. Young trans people need to see signs for themselves..... that doesnt happen when man and woman mean voidless beings

Maybe, because it depends on what trans activism and faminism can live with or without.

I think we could once the fog of confusion lifts from the minds of those who've been sold bad science, and we all can agree on at least what a biological woman is and isn't. As well as what she has in common with Trans-women, and what she doesn't.

Heck, I'll settle for a consensus on what being Trans actually means. As a 42yr old, I tend to think that it means to transition from one sex to another... Blair fits my expectations of what a Trans woman is. As well as Kalvin fitting them as a Trans man.

My cousin is a Trans man, without bottom surgery. I call him by his name, which since I'm family - isn't the only one I've known. He's extremely happy, married and has himself a lovely family. I can't imagine him growing up (he's my age) in this timeline.

Things were simpler in my day. lol

I think that one can be a rational advocate for both but if one party sways to the extreme left then they cannot coexist

I voted yes. Don't look at the radical extremists on both ends who are shouting the loudest. Look to the real folks, who are reasonable and thoughtful. The internet is not a real representation of humans and how people with differing opinions can and DO get along in real life.

Of COURSE we can coexist. All it takes is people willing to listen to each other.

No, let them both destroy each other, they're both based on lies: women are not systemically oppressed and your biology does not change based on how you feel on the inside.

No. Intolerance of all kinds is getting worse. Having the audacity to question the orthodoxy about anything is treated as if you just went into someone house and took a dump on the kitchen table. What I see now in trans activism is the kind of abusive jackassery that has been directed at JK Rowling, for example, and Arielle.

I have had "friends" flip their shit on me because I pointed out serious flaws in the general views of crime and bias, and how most of the folks who do really bad stuff are very much the same, but for their skin color. (Poor, badly parented, and mostly really damaged by the age of 5 or so - most of the development of a person is well set by then; long before they encounter the system.) And try to convey the vile nature of stuff that bad folks do (yay, women are catching up to men, isn't that grand?) to others is hard for nice folks to believe.

Doesn't matter the topic - if you are not sticking to the script of the lunatic fringe, you are a bad person and will be "cancelled". Screw that.

should be a 3rd choice -"don't care"

so called 3rd wave feminism is an obviously hypocritcal bunch of socialists masquerading as advocating for women everywhere - which they obviously do not

trans-activism...not sure how they carry out their mission but I don't think they are very helpful to the gay/homosexual sub-culture in general.

Whatever squabbling there might be between the two groups has little or no impact on anyone but themselves....like a cat fight in the middle school cafeteria.