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Are people more racist now than they were 20 years ago?

I recently watched the Netflix documentary "The Last Dance" about the 1998 Chicago Bulls basketball team. One thing that stood out to me, besides Michael Jordan poise both on and off the court, was how people of all racial backgrounds shared a united joy in the game and the players. Contrast this to today where the game has turned into a protest platform for player activists to educate fans that the US is a place of extreme danger and oppression towards black people. I realize that this is just one example where it seems that race relations have become worse. But is this just a matter of heightened awareness or is racism on the rise? Do you find it harder NOT to have racist thoughts now than before?

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There are more important things to worry about and the adults are busy with them.

Don't give in to the the temptation to let groups like BLM frame the narrative. Ignore them until they commit crimes and then lock them up. Kind of reminds me of spoiled children "acting up" with the government as a surrogate parent. Eventually if they don't get the attention they want the bad behavior will end.

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With some historical distance, we can now see how: 1. The gains of the Civil Rights Movement were halted by Nixon amid a racist backlash a year after they were secured, 2. Clinton and Bush offered neoliberalism, 3. Neoliberalism, while offering marginally better racial representation, did not meaningfully correct racism or poverty, 4. The Republican Party increasingly exploited latent bigotries, especially those of older white men, to divide and conquer a diversifying country, and 5. Now the Republican Party embraces fascism while the Democratic Party clings to neoliberalism and the marginalized left embraces social democracy.

And I'll note that that historical distance is aided by 1. Actual decades of distance, 2. The information age, and 3. Historically well-educated (and diverse) younger generations coming of age.

@WilyRickWiles

Miseducated would be more accurate.

Hello wolfhnd. Not ALL young people are miseducated, nor are they Woke. Generalisation is one of my pet hates. 😟

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With youth the extreme trendyness of HiP Hop and Rap Music has made so-called racism less for a few decades now. Millennial youth and whatever name American adverting has dreamed up for the latest generation don't accept racism much. I know many cross-cultural couples. It is not even though of much. Liberal socialism communism globalism is pushing the racist agenda for political gain and division. No doubt about that.

I think you need to examine the two statements you made: 1. Younger generations are better on race. 2. Division is created by increased radicalism. I think it's implied that the radicalism in #2 is mostly a phenomenon among the young. #1 implies low divisiveness among young people, so the division in #2 must be between younger and older people. Have you considered that perhaps that is less a function of some spontaneous radical agenda and more a response to older white people and the Republican Party's racist (and really unjustified because #1 shows the kids are alright) reaction to a diverse younger generation coming of age?

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The question "Is there more or is there less racism in America?" has created quite the conundrum that's befuddling people who have no first hand knowledge of what it was like in 1950, as an example.

You would have to have lived the period, been a part of it and able to relate to it.

Obviously I can only speak for myself and my personal experience growing up in the rural south and remembering 1950, with vivid memories of my childhood, playing with my friend, both black and white. With vivid memories of the marches, the school desegregation turmoil, cross town busing, all of it.

Again, this is only one data point, from a firsthand observer, who experienced the period. "Racism" as defined at that period of time, is "orders of magnitude" less prevalent now. I'm not saying racism does not exist today; the "systemic racism" flooding the airwaves is just that - a lot of hot air!

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I'm not looking to start a big debate here, just making the point that spending YOUR time to get informed, talk to folks that experienced the period, YOU do some research then you decide "if there is more or less racism in America?"

Good comment 🙂

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I don't think people are more or less racist. I do however believe that people are more emboldened (unjustifiably IMHO) to call out racism. This seems incongruous to me. Here in 2020 there is far less racial injustice than ever before. In fact we could and we do make a good argument that Blacks have been gifted advantages over Whites and Asians in many ways. College entrance, job opportunity, gov't provided business loans, preferential treatment for gov't contract work...on and on. Yet the hue and cry of "racism" seems louder and pronounced far more often than it was decades ago.
Crying out - blaming -accusing "Racism" does not make it so. I have been saying for a long time that todays face of "Racism" is a Black face.
So really your poll should reflect the Truth that "Racism" is NOT a White thing. Blacks are every bit as Racist as are Whites - or at least capable of thinking and acting that way.

I have always been more than a bit annoyed by the connotation, the implicit accusation against White people in the often used phraseology "more racism" of "less racism" "more racists" "fewer racists". All spoken with the implicit and intrinsic lie that "Black" and "Racism" are mutually exclusive...they are not!

iThink Level 9 Sep 6, 2020

@iThink "Racism" is NOT a White thing. Blacks are every bit as Racist as are Whites

Yeah. We've got some catching up to do.

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The problem I see is that this country is tripping over themselves trying not to appear racist but by doing so are putting whites on the back burner. I see no problem with equality between all races but none is above the other. As for all the racial issues in the news..when the autopsies show fentanyl and PCP in the blood I have no sympathies for those killed. It is a choice to take the drug, a choice to break the law and a choice to disobey the law when you're caught. 3 strikes and you're out.

Dmwils Level 7 Sep 6, 2020
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I feel that 20 years ago, racism was fading in America, today it is front and center on every media platform, sports arena and political agenda. Looking at the World Economic Forum and United Nations' agenda for the Great Reset 2021, you find that this is one of their main focal points in their propaganda agenda. Reading their agendas (all the way back to 2015), you will find that aside from their green new deal, you see the words racial equality and women's equality over and over. Then you see their plan for governments to "fund sports" because they feel national sports are as important as agriculture, and more important than fossil fuels. Do you think that the media's constant propping up of the idea of racism is a segue. Into the next year? I certainly do.

The media first. But Walmart managers are running a close second.

With 2 months to go on his first term, Trump finally banned the teaching of "Critical Race Theory" (i.e., a racial view of all problems) in the government.

@Admin I saw that, and wondered when, exactly, all that BS started?

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“Are People More Racist Now ...?”
YES and NO

A large part of the problem with this question is; WHAT is the current DEFINITION of “Racism”? (Actually, the word used should be “Bigotry” )

The Racism/Bigotry of the USA up to the mid 1970s has ... or, at least was, largely faded away although there were several attempts made to keep it alive by Government (Democrat) Actions (Affirmative Action and many “Pro Race” moves by Pres. LBJohnson)

Up until the coming of Obama there were still some people who were “Racist” or “Bigoted”. This is not to say it was ALL Whites vs ... .
There were/are Blacks vs. Blacks, Asians vs. Asians, Hispanics vs. Latinos, Muslims vs. Muslims, Whites vs Whites and, of course, any One of Those vs. Every One of the Others
This is actually a completely normal situation and, it tends to manifest itself most visibly in the “Melting Pot” of these United States simply because there are more ingredients being combined.
However, until the coming of Obama, it was NOT Overt ... NOT something people wore on their sleeves ... NOT a Major Component of Conversation, Media, News ... of the “Common Peoples’” EVERYDAY thought process.

Obama and the Obama Administration DELIBERATELY Changed that situation, DELIBERATELY Provoked “Racism” AND Fostered a “New Aggrieved” Race Status while simultaneously creating a NEW DEFINITION of the Term.

NOW ... TODAY ... You can be Called or Labelled a “Racist” because You Breathe ... Because You Woke Up This Morning ... Because You Like ... or DON’T Like ... Something ... Because of the Car You Drive ... or the Way You Walk ... or Your Clothes ... OR ...
AND IT DOESN’T MATTER What Your “Race” Is ... or Your “Ethnicity” Is ... or Your “Gender” Is ...

ALL THAT MATTERS is that ONE Person claiming to be “Woke” points ... IT’S Finger at YOU and Screams; “WITCH!!!” And Heads Turn, Eyes Focus, Unthinking Minds Mumble ...
“RRRRRR...Acist ... RRRRRaaaaacist ...

The Zombie Apocalypse is Upon Us ... and They Call THEMSELVES “The WOKE”

"Systemic racism" is the most pernicious as it has "racism" in it and refers to anything that is allowed to be considered the cause of inequality... that isn't the "old school" racism type.

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Racism is inherent in the human psyche. It's basic pattern recognition and instinctual genetic preservation. In that sense it's the same as it's always been. There are also significant genetic differences between the races in terms of temperament, IQ, physicality, disease resistance and every other possible factor that go deeper than mere aesthetic.

What has changed over time is the rationalization and socially acceptable expression of racial preferences. For example, go into any school for black children and you will see them being taught to be proud and black, loyalty and solidarity with black people and about how black identity is Important. Children of almost every race to varying degrees are taught to value their racial heritage.

What are whites taught? Everyone is the same. Expressing any racial preference is tantamount to genocide and your whiteness is shameful if it is to be addressed at all. Not only that, but you are to blame for all the world's problems. Your people have never suffered and all their accomplishments when not abusive and vile are merely a result of chaotic historical coincidence.

I reject the apriori assumption that racism and racial preference is inherently evil. It's merely a term coined by marxists to prevent whites from objecting to the mass migration of foreigners into their lands and to submit to being second class citizens.

What is harmful is the concerted effort to annihilate an entire race by propagandizing them to believe that they are evil, that mixed race children are ideal, that they must be weak and silent and servile, that their women must stop having children and work their whole lives to find fulfillment, and that they must surrender their livelihoods to less competent people of other races. What's harmful is to allow Muslim rapists to destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of white girls while the state protects them, or to cover up hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders of whites by blacks and claim its white's own fault.

Racism is just looking out for your own people, as one should. Genocide is what's evil and it's being purposefully inflicted on whites at the hands of those who control the levers of media, finance and politics.

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Have you all noticed that with the decline in Christianity and the concept of "All are equal in the eyes of God". The middle-Eastern religions based on race/tribalism, sectarianism and elitist superiority have exploited their position in the west, undermining the stability of Western culture.
(No problems with Hindu or Buddhist cultural traditions but the others suck)

You mean the stuff about "love your enemies", "turn the other cheek", and "be a good Samaritan"?

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It's more likely that people and especially white people are redirecting their racist thoughts towards themselves. 20 years ago, they were more openly paternalistic and enjoyed being seen as liberal and benevolent. Now faced with all the rage and riots, their only recourse is Mea Culpa

IMO ... as a Brit we haven't given a shit about race most of the time ! If we had we'd have left the slavery problem for someone (not going to happen) else to deal with and there would be no African or Asian people in the country. Wars were fought by Britain because African subjects/citizens of the Crown were enslaved or harmed. So in general white people don't care as long as live and let live is applied.

@LesMahagow But, that is my point. 'Live and let live' is not applied, and certainly in the US, the left want us to toe the line and march to the same progressive beat, otherwise you get what you see in the news. In other words, people (whites) bending the knee.
In my own case, it's just cognitive dissonance

I’ve been white for 66 years now and I hadn’t seen or heard anything remotely racist until leftis media elected Barry Soetoro.
Who elected them ?

Although, they should be chanting "Malum quod ego sum homo albus".
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I sometimes wonder what the root cause of racism is in America. Then I see yet another video like this and it all becomes clear.

[liveleak.com]

It's distressing to see so many people looting without wearing masks. 😉

you say that as though you think racism does not exist anywhere besides USA....that would be abjectly false.

@iThink

I didn't say that.

@Triumph so then you understand that the "root cause" for racism is universal - and NOT only found in USA - right?

@iThink

So, Walmart has gone international?

@Triumph WTH does Wal-mart have to do w/the discussion about racism in USA or anywhere else?

@iThink

Ask the managers of the Walmarts that's been looted. They'll tell you all about it.

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If I see a Negro committing a heinous act explaining that he does this because he is a Negro, than I automatically believe that Negro's as a group need to be kept at a distance and should be mistrusted. Actually I see more Muslims doing this than Negro's, which ads to my distrust of non-whites. As a Christian I acknowledge the fact that all these dangerous people live because God lovingly created them. I try to leave Judgment to God as much as humanly possible, also I tend to trust Negro's and former Muslims who choose to be fellow Christians much better. Praise the Lord for saving their souls.

Please use "black person" instead of "Negro" on this website - unless you're over 80 and in poor health. Do you not seen enough "heinous acts" by white people? I agree that it is natural to want to avoid people that one considers dangerous. How do you think Jesus would discuss this topic?

@Admin I've seen lots of heinous acts by Caucasian people oftentimes victimizing their own race. However they don't have a racial motive, also statistics show that Black people are far more criminal and if criminal seem to regard whites as easy pray. Muslims do the same, so I feel much more comfortable in the company of other whites. I think Jesus would discuss this topic in a way that shows that human conflicts are a distraction from the real issue which is the rejection of God and the Gospel. Jesus doesn't care about differences in class, status or "social justice virtuousnes" bc He regards these to be the result of sinning. He sees humans as valuable because of their essential role in the world, pretended morallity doesn't give someone value in His eyes.

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It's Marxists stiring up race hate to divide society. Before it was class now in our multi-ethnic societies they use race ....

As the Democrats have lost their blue collar (union) support, they need a new group to gain power. I am disappointed, however, that Trump didn't add even a modest tax increase on the $1M+/year earners to signal that he does want to address income inequality.

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Well if you look at the past, most sports players were told to keep politics away from sports, now they protest but it’s fans who wish not to combine the two.

Here's to you Jackie Robinson!

@Admin also akeem abdul jabbar

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The more you push race to the forefront of peoples identity the more you allow extremist ans fringe race politics to the center stage.

This could be gone quickly if Conservatives,
1 Knew exactly what they were dealing with
2 Had the spine to do it.

Only Trump seems to get it but as some have said why wait 4 years?

He missed so many opportunities by being a bad communicator.

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Racism has always existed.

It is built into our culture and our movies.
" Good Samaritan" used to be a slur.

How visible or invisible it is
today is open to debate.

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I would say I was mildly racist in 1998, then I was pretty chill for quite some time. But things changed after #TrayvonMartin was shot. Whereas a few years earlier the greatest racial tension in the US was a Black #Harvard prof who was detained for climbing through the window of his house (resulting in the much lauded "beer summit" ), by 2012 people were seriously pissed. I think I could have maintained if it had remained at those levels, but then came #BLM, social media censorship, forced race indoctrination, and by the time the #AltRight became a thing, I was ready for it bc FTS ... when you make conversation impossible, conflict becomes inevitable. If I'm treated like a #Nazi no matter what I believe, then I'll become the nightmare they make me out to be ... out of self-defense, if for no other reason.

I'm done with #multikulti, through with integration. It's time we go our separate ways peaceably, because if this keeps up much longer, we may pass the point of no return and be forced to settle our differences in a more primitive fashion.

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In 1999, I started at Shell Oil in Houston. Within a few weeks of starting, I was required to go to a "diversity" training. At that training, the teacher, a consultant from outside the company, insisted that none of us are individuals and that none of us see one another as individuals. She insisted that we instead are nothing more than the sum of our demographic identities and that we see one another as nothing more than the sum of demographic identities. She further said that some identities were dominant and others were subordinate and that the goal of all change should be to equalize the dominant and subordinate demographic identities.

I saw then and still see that perspective as racist and evil. At the time, I don't think most people believed that nonsense. However, all of the high managers at Shell promoted that idea. I suspect that many people in academia and other places have promoted that or similar ideas. I'm sure that some impressionable people have come to accept those ideas. In the sense that people have come to accept these ideas, our society is more racist than it was in 1998, but the seeds of the racism were being planted at that time.

A big part of the answer is that fewer people were making their living as professional racists at that time. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were making their living as professional racists. David Duke was making his living as a professional racist. The consultant who taught that training at Shell was a professional racist (and a black woman). I'm sure some managers Shell and other big companies rose to their positions by parroting those ideas, so they were semi-professional racists. However, most people accepted the idea of seeing people as individuals and judging them as such. Today, many more people make their living as professional racists. The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. said that he dreamed of a day when all men would be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Jacob Blake is a rapist and thief. Anyone judging him by the color of his skin would acknowledge that he is trash, but the professional racist class says that we must pity him because he was shot while threatening police after assaulting the victim that he assaulted and robbed in May. This professional racist class believes that we must excuse everything because of the color of his skin rather than see clearly by the content of his character that he's a bad person.

The proliferation of the professional racist class that tries to obscure the content of people's characters and make excuses because of the color of their skin is causing much more racism. They are training people to be racists, and they are forcing everyone to be more aware of race.

Both the progressive left and the center/right truly believe that the other side is the racist class and they are the one's who care (progressives=>for people/equality of outcome center/right => for freedom/values/equality of opportunity). The progressive left seems to have disdain for white people or the system they created via "whiteness"... but they don't see it as racist as they claim only white people, by having "power", can be racists. From what I have seen, the center/right may see differences in groups but primarily want all people to be the best they can be. There is much more money in getting people to believe in an invisible evil than one that's seen. Things that are religion-like do this more.

@Admin I think there's a great deal of truth in your comment about people seeing the "other" side as more racist, but I do see nuance. I'm sorry if I didn't communicate the nuance.

I believe that there are many people who are traditionally liberal who aren't racist and aren't trying to promote racism. I think many of them understand some of the excesses of some of the policies that they've put in place but still believe in the good intentions of those policies. I don't believe that all of these people are automatically anti-individualist although I see many anti-individualists as racists.

I understand that some who are considered to be traditionally conservative who are pretty much openly racist in one way or another. Many of the problems are not just liberal versus conservative problems.

I distinguish between liberals who have support a wide variety of policies that I believe are bad for the country from leftists who actively want to destroy the country. I see the leftists as people who seem to hate everyone except their closest allies in destruction.

I think that there is more money to be made today in the left/liberal world of racism such as practiced by Al Sharpton. More money will draw more people to that field, but I don't know whether the number of people with a basic orientation towards left racism is greater than the number of people with a basic orientation towards right racism.

Oddly, the most blatant racism that I've encountered on Slug seems to be the anti-Jewish mindset, and I'm never sure whether that's a right or left issue.

@Admin the progressive left and the center/right truly believe that the other side is the racist class

Ha. Then they get to my level and own it like a boss. 😎

@Admin Mother Nature is not and never has been fair, get over it!!!
There is NO equality!!!

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I think it's about the same. What's different is the communication. Even ten years ago the video of that cop burying his knee into George Floyd's neck would have never seen the light of day and certainly not in the 60's. The politicians and the police had much more control over the information that got out or didn't get out. Whether a politician had a D or R behind their name made little difference. You supported the police and it was in your best interest politically to do so. Now everybody and his bother has a cell camera. There is a much leveler playing field with regard to who controls information. The politicians have a much harder time defending the police carte blanche because they don't control the information like they used to, even if much of the information is a false narrative. Are there loads of videos out there that show white cops shooting white people in the back? Maybe there is. But I don't see those videos much. Is there black on black crime? We are told that there is. Lots of it. But, I don't see it in videos that often either. Today we just see a lot more of what appears to be racist behavior on the part of the police, whether it actually is or not, that we just didn't used to see, certainly not on a daily basis. Our short attention spans and thirst for instant gratification plunges us into snap judgments, whether those judgments are warranted or not. Is it any wonder that there are riots in the streets? Not surprising to me.

BTW, I have to laugh as we are told on this thread that none of us really has a good idea of what "fascism" is. Yet, we all seem to easily grasp the concepts of "socialism", "communism" and "liberalism" without much problem. Amazing how that works.

TyKC Level 7 Sep 6, 2020

Good point that there has a been a shift as to how information is sourced and curated. Where is our "Walter Cronkite"?

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The left's clever to use "Race". This is an ambiguous word. Always use ambiguous words. Then it will always mean what you want it to mean. "You are guilty", is the cry. Hey I thought we threw out the Church with the baby, 'cause we did not want their power over us, to make us feel guilty?

I wonder when "goodness" will be considered a bad thing.

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The constant hammering of the left and some on the right creates anger and resentment, so that when you see anyone different from you, you have negative thoughts almost automatically. Is there some racism, systemic or otherwise? Sure. Do Black LIves Matter? Of course, but more than another ethnic group, no. Rioting and destruction does nothing to make the case for this argument. Nation wide, there is no evidence that Blacks suffer greater injustices from other ethnic groups, than any other group. They do seem to suffer more at their on hands. How exactly then is it Racism?

I agree that much of the debate is between people who think the causes of inequality is all due to external/oppressive factors and those who think it's MOSTLY a result of internal/personal factors.

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I don't think it is possible to quantify whether there is more or less racism now, but what racism is out there is certainly expressed more vocally. Social media and the way in which we receive our information about the world certainly has affected this, and thus our understanding of it. Division is an effective tool for those in power who seek to maintain that control, as well as those with extremist views to garner a larger support base for their own agendas. A united people is far more powerful than a divided one. Racism exists, and has existed, and will continue to exist. When we look to institutions to fix this with ineffective policies that lead to further division, or allow those in power to perpetuate it to serve their own agendas, we are working against the power the people could have if united. Ethnocentricity is the bane of humanity, and always will be. None of us can escape that. But we can, as individuals, work on minimizing the negative impact our actions and voices have on others by taking responsibility for them and not perpetuating the division that is only beneficial for the few. Whether it is worse now or then, there is still work that needs to be done. We simply need to look to ourselves for fixes more than we look to others to fix it for us.

Agree that the intense focusing on race does result in dividing people and exercising tribalism... for some and less, perhaps, in others.

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