The body cam footage from a social worker trying to deal with Gentle George would have been fun..

@tonkotsu It would indeed. I am only half serious, on my scenario. It is a patchwork of what I have heard these crazies imitating a politician, say they want, and the poor sods who are the Police. Would love to watch the Socialized medicine busybodies, deal with The wacko things drug addicted get up to. Maybe my scenario, would make a good TV comedy/drama? Definitely need a solution, after the wreck the spokes persons did for the Out of their mind, locked up citizens.

@Machiavelliwar oh, I’m with you. I think police need more funding for more training so that they can properly deal with things they determine call for different responses. That is, of course, another issue.. which would need more time, which means more money and more training. So yea, Marxists just yelling “defund the police!!!” isn't a plan, it’s just an empty platitude.

Not to mention, starting point of the Marxists is always the response of the police, instead of the shitty behavior of shitty people. There would be less of a need for an escalation of force in the first place if people were more responsible for their own behavior

So what do you think of the death of Ethan Taylor a Downs Syndrome man who was killed by two OFF DUTY cops who took it upon themselves to restrain him when he didn't want to get up from his movie seat (he was only in it 5 minutes after the movie ended waiting for his mom). Two of them grabbed him and he ended up being strangled to death. They choked him to death.

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Since he said "no" were the two cops in the right to kill him for being uncooperative?

How much time would you and your friend in their shoes give this young man before you choked him out?

Botham Jean was just chilling at home watching TV when a cop busted into the wrong apartment and shot him to death because she thought it was her apartment.

Her apartment.

K.

Then there's Atiana Jefferson who was also in her home when cops spotted her through the window, playing video games and shot her because a neighbor said they heard strange noises.

Strange noises = right to shoot, yeh?

Oh and Charles Kinsey got shot because he was trying to help his ward that he was a legal caregiver of and the cops thought he was robbing someone and shot him. No questions asked.

Veteran Kenneth Chamberlain had his home invaded by police and when he asserted his rights by telling them he did not call them they tased and shot him. In his home.

7 year old Aiyana Jones of Detroit was set on fire by the flash grenades lobbed into her home. I suppose her parents being criminals justifies the cops not caring if a child was in the home. She didn't protest or try to resist arrest but was burnt to death anyway.

Do you want more or to start with these?

It is a moral panic and people have lost their minds.

The issue here is that the bloods report showed he OD on Fentanyl as the original ME’s report found.
The bodycam’s support this finding. He showed fentanyl OD symptoms before they even got to him.

There is a very high likelihood that he would have died without any external effects. In the US 20 000 die of very year due to Fentanyl overdose.

The cops are gonna walk on the homocide charge and need to be charged with aggravated assault, else they will walk... and we will see much worse riots.
Unless that is what you are hoping for...

@Hanno You're really something else.

@WilyRickWiles
Yes, I am a scientist who read the reports and looked up Fentanyl effects...
What part of my analyses is wrong?
He did not had fentanyl in his blood?
He did not show fentanyl OD symptoms?
20 000 people a year in the US did not die due to Fentanyl?
The LD50 for primates are 30 ng/kg.... he had 11. Anything above 10 is seen as potentially lethal, especially when combined with other factors...
Prince, Tom Petty and many others died the same way... it is well documented and well known.

The cops are guilty of aggravated assault and should be charged with that.

If this information was released early on we may have reduced the great harm that happened the following weeks.
Is that something bad?

@Hanno how do you figure "aggravated assault"? he was using a legitimate restraining tactic on an aggressive - and big, man.

@parsifal
The restraining technique has certain constraints on how it may be applied.
Applying it to someone who is unresponsive is outside those constraints. Doing it for 9 minutes without reprieve is outside those constraints
I should not say guilty... I should to say they need to be charged and let the courts run its course.

@Hanno you write 9 minutes is outside of those constraints...

Where does it say that? Is that part of any police training program?

@parsifal
I am not trained in the US as a police officer... So on that part I cannot say..

I however did train as a life guard in South Africa as a boy. We were taught more than 5 minutes without air causes irreversible brain damage.
I know US police are explained that this specific technique reduce oxygen to the brain... so I would want to assume that they are taught not to apply such a technique for more than 5 minutes without a change in hold that will allow the brain free flow of blood.
In any case... I cannot believe that 9 minutes is acceptable in any circumstance, especially if the perp is non-responsive after 5 minutes.
Someone higher up in the comments stated that he was specifically trained to allow blood flow every few minutes... so maybe question him.

I of course was not there... so a court will decide what was acceptable or not.

@Hanno Ah, ok. Well, I have. And the issue at hand is restricting air. This does not come close to compressing (literally crushing) a person’s windpipe.

The first I thought on seeing the video was positional asphyxia. A friend said a drug induced delirium.

Regardless, GF in the now released body cam video (finally) says while standing next to his car “I can’t breathe”.

And if one toxicologist reports 4-5 times the amount of fentanyl in his system than would kill you or I, my guess is death was not from being held down.

@parsifal
It is about adequate blood flow to the brain, not it air flow to lungs.
However I agree with you on the rest, as I did with my first posts.

@Hanno well, I don’t know what else “I can’t breathe” means. Lol.

@parsifal
That is the point I made right at the start. His death is likely caused by Fentanyl overdose and hence the homocide charge will not stick.
The next question is what the cops can be charged with.
And that is aggregated assault due to the prolonged use of restraining that was unnecessary.
Nothing to do with air flow etc, but the fact that kneeling on a persons neck is hazardous for them over time for reasons you mentioned... such as potential supine asphyxiation and reduced blood flow to brain.
To restrict an unresponsive person like that is unnecessary and hazardous. It becomes assault.
And now we see the end result. If he just got off him after 5 minutes, Floyd probably would still have died, however none of the chaos would have ensued.

@Hanno I didn’t say there was reduced flow of blood to the brain, but regardless...

Aggravated assault? Aggravated assault carries the intent to cause bodily harm with the use of a deadly weapon that could include a gun, a motorized vehicle, or another object like a bat. As a result, the person must have caused temporary or permanent injury. ... In Minnesota, assault becomes a felony when significant bodily harm occurs.

Problem one for the prosecution is proving intent.

Problem two is the autopsy results that indicated death from heart failure induced by drugs.

Problem three is reconciling the treatment of the other occupants of the vehicle and those of GF.

Problem four is there was no ongoing violence committed against GF, no assaults beyond a restraint approved by the police force.

While the court of public opinion might have already convicted the police, my guess is none of,the charges will stick.

@parsifal
Although I agree with you all above, you are playing into the hands of those who want to stop or reduce police powers.
I corrected my statement from that they are guilty to that they should charged and courts decide.

You cannot, not charge them.
I agree that my original suggestion of aggravated assault may be not the correct charge, however what the police officers did was not correct.

If you feel the arrest process was correct all the way through and they did nothing wrong, then you will begin to understand why the protests are happening.

Restraining an unresponsive person is simply not acceptable by modern day society. If this is “approved” police procedure, then the protesters have a point.

Again, I am not referring to the technique itself, I am referring to it’s excessive use on an unresponsive person.

@Hanno I only pointed out what I believe the difficulties with the charges are from my understanding of the case. It is nothing more than a political football and similar to other high profile cases, the people imo are merely pawns to other issues...

What personally have been waiting to see released are the videos from the body cams. One is finally out. The others? I believe they were held simply as part of the larger issues I referred to above.