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Wanted to get your feedback on a possible text change on the main page for new visitors. It currently says:

"Do you value free speech and civil discussions? Join the IDW movement!"

Thinking something more descriptive such as:

"Do you value cognitive liberty, free speech and civil discussions? Join the non-profit community that permits fact-based discussions of all topics."

or even:

"Do you value cognitive liberty, free speech and civil discussions? Join the non-profit community that permits fact-based discussions of all topics - even difficult and politically sensitive ones."

The idea is to address the fact that fewer NEW visitors know the IDW now (40%) than when we started at the beginning of the year (60%)... yet the need for civil discussions is greater today than ever. Yes, this is similar to a previous post but this time, it's more specific. Thoughts?

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How about something like this:
"Do you believe in the free exchange of ideas and opinions as fertile ground from which better solutions can grow?" We, the IDW community invite and encourage you to contribute your own thoughts and knowledge without fear of reprisal and censorship" ...

iThink Level 8 Dec 29, 2019
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There are some decent suggestions below.
Having written advertising copy for several years, the two changes you suggest are too “wordy” and not eye/attention grabbing.
There’s also something wrong with starting it with “do you value” ... maybe “if you enjoy” or “appreciate” ...

Seeking Active Thinkers to Participate in a Thought Provoking Forum.
(Insert Description Here ... after the “tag line” you can put lots of stuff but the “tag line” needs to be the “hook” )

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“Do you value free speech, oppose censorship and value civil discussions...”

Bryanfm Level 3 Dec 28, 2019
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Emphasis on civil discussions, as it appears a majority of new members think this site supports absolute free speech with no limits, however there are community guidelines in regards to harassing fellow members in which should maybe be made a bit clearer for the newer members.

Good idea... we could link to our community guidelines.

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Cognitive liberty sounds a bit corny. And the fact that it's a non-profit community is nice, but I don't know that it has bearing on the discussions that people are interested in having on the IDW.

I'd suggest something like "Do you value truth, free speech, and civil discussion? Join the IDW for non-PC conversation on all topics, ranging from light hearted to very sensitive."

Then link the community guidelines and additional information - as you suggested below.

Clarken Level 7 Dec 28, 2019

I admit that "cognitive liberty" is not widely known but it related to having the ability to even THINK of things that are the basis of discovering truth. There is a push to get groups to not doubt a political dogma in their mind - to not teach critical reasoning skills or be conditioned to be timid. It's similar to training a chain-tied young elephant that they can't break free... and then using a simple rope later when it grows up. The elephant won't even THINK they have the ability to break free.

Agree! Terms like “cognitive liberty” are empty and colourless.

@Admin
I understood what you meant by it and agree with the need to think critically. We used to just call that "critical thinking skills". "Cognitive liberty" is just a bit wierd sounding. It isn't yet commonly used jargon and I kinda doubt it will be. Just my opinion, trying to consider what others might think when reading it for the first time.

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Yes. Think freely, speak freely. But think. For yourself.

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I don’t think terms like “cognitive liberty” serve any purpose. How about:

Join us to explore the ideas of Intellectual Dark Web thinkers like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro. We’re a fact-based, non-profit community that shows civil discourse is not only possible; it’s often enlightening.

GeeMac Level 7 Dec 28, 2019

Not bad... though my concern is that the 60% of the visitors who don't know of the IDW (or even these famous thinkers) might have to get past the hurdle to read the second sentence.

COPIED FROM BELOW: I admit that "cognitive liberty" is not widely known but it related to having the ability to even THINK of things that are the basis of discovering truth. There is a push to get groups to not doubt a political dogma in their mind - to not teach critical reasoning skills or be conditioned to be timid. It's similar to training a chain-tied young elephant that they can't break free... and then using a simple rope later when it grows up. The elephant won't even THINK they have the ability to break free.

@Admin seriously, if they don’t know about the intellectual dark web, Peterson, Rogan and Shapiro, we may have to suggest Pinterest! 😂😂😂
(Only half-joking)

there is something wrong with all the fandom in the advertizing and a few of those pages essentially have become youtube playlists and nothing else.

i would rather have a transcription verbatum than a video. videos neuter the mind.

@Admin cognitive is too limiting an adjective. There is physical liberty too. Understand what you are trying to do, but please widen the aperture.

@GeeMac I have used Twitter for less than 3 months, and am in the middle of millions of Conservatives. They would know Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro, and Candace Owens well, but not most of the other names so much on the IDW. I think that we are going to move to much more censorship, and possibly government censorship, which is a great threat to us all. The big platforms are starting Censorship Boards, and

Why not emphasize Freedom and Free Speech, with that in mind. "The Freedom Bell, Free Speech and No Censorship." #2 "Free Speech For Free Peoples. No Censorship." Peoples emphasizes all the countries of the world. #3 "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Free Speech and No Censorship." This from the Preamble of the Constitution. #4 "Liberty Rings True. Free Speech and No Censorship."

@mccarthy makes sense for sure.

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I don’t think the international element has been mentioned yet and this to me is an important part of the site.
I would say keep it simple, no intellectual jargon and no names of people who may not be widely known internationally.
Something like ‘ Do you have views and opinions on todays society or on current events and are you willing to express them in a civil manner?
If so join this not for profit International discussion forum, have your say and see what others think.

I like the Simplicity of that. I also think its important to avoid intellectual jargon

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How about something like, “ Do you value freedom of speech, intellectual discussion and exchange of ideas? Join the IDW movement.” A simple one liner is better at grabbing interest. Short and sweet.

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how about adding something like"can you review or give us your personal take on a video or article without copy and paste to facilitate discussion by taking a stand so that others can as well?"
the biggest problem i see is that some of the more prolific posters arent speaking at all, just dropping articles in the cue, like fishing with a trout line.

Writing and posting an original article is great. But posting a significant article or meme that others probably haven't seen is often just as good or even better. That only starts the conversation. The comments are often as valuable or possibly moreso than the posts.

@Clarken a bot can start a conversation. it is just a form of catfishing that would rarely fly as the title with any factual weight. it is just a way to drive traffic. it is a lazy way to start a conversation.

if i am here to converse, but i have to play hot-potato with a 15 minute video. you just got me to waste 15 minutes on another site to come back and respond "so?" or "yep" and the o.p. just nullified the conversation because no conjecture is made.

i hate to point it out, the new posts feed is really just a traffic hub steering people away from the site. it started real heavily last april, in "my" recollection.

it may be just a way to get level ups.

@CuriousFury
I appreciate you pointing that out. You've been with the IDW a lot longer than I have.

But the more intuitive way to use it is simply watching as new articles are posted. Then if you have certain interests, you segue into those groups, members, topics, and such. Right or wrong, been my experience.

Getting "level up" seems to be an incentive built into the IDW to get and keep people interested. Once they're hooked, they will navigate the system however they choose that best fits their interests.

@Clarken yeah, i have used discussion forums before. i almost agree with you, but it doesnt make sense to continually drive traffic away from the site unless that is the oroginal posters purpose.literally drivin people away to spend time on other websites.

@CuriousFury
Each individual has their personal preferences of what they want to spend their time on. There's so much there that each person can pick and choose or disregard posts. I don't think you're gonna be able to coerce people into doing it your way or no way.

I personally like someone to give a little comment at the beginning of the post that indicates the topic and why it's important. Then I may or may not procede based on first impressions. Failing the quick synopsis, I may still check the link they provided and either continue reading/watching or go ahead and exit out of lack of interest. I also personally like an occasional video. Normally short is best. If it's long, it better be good on an important topic.

Obviously that's different than how you see it. From what I've seen, to each their own - make a comment, suggestion, agree, disagree, or just live and let live.

@CuriousFury
It doesn't drive me away. I read an article or view a video, then I go back to where I was and make a comment or find another post to look at. It keeps me coming back.

I do personally prefer to see the text within the post itself. But putting the source link is important for attribution and later reference or more text/info.

I understand some people just find it easier and quicker to only put the link. I ran into that yesterday and suggested to the fella that posted it that it would be helpful to have a little information what the linked article was about written in the post itself. He nicely explained he had grandkids around and just wanted to get it out. I understood. And the article was actually very good. Each person has their rationale.

Probably would be good to make suggestions in the community guidelines - suggestions not rules.

@Clarken i am no different than you. it is just this site was not a facebook clone not that long ago, but now it is facebook with strangers.

it is sad.

not my website. so it is not myway or the highway.

just trying to point out where the breakdown seems to be happening, as soon as the app launced , it seems.

it went from people offering proposals to topics and inviting alternate thoughts to people direct sharing and bitching about censorship and media bias by posting media posts about media censorship. that behavior went on long enough t ok drive out the conversationalists and augment the expexted behavior on the news board. in essence a few people posted 10 or 30 articles a day to other websites and skunked the leader boards.

@Clarken i was just being kinda a dick with my o.p. except this place is just a cafe where you grab a 25 cent coffee ask the guy next to you whats going on and he says, goid article on that newsstand across the street. we can talk about it after you go buy a copy(not literally)

@Clarken i honestly am not trying to attack your prefered digestion method. i am just pointing out that the pizazz and allure that drove a large uptick in signups did not depend on sending other people to other websites so they could return and say"readit"

just swamping the homepage and drowning the flowers with noise.

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How about!!
Do you value FREE speech?
Do you enjoy CIVIL discussion?
Do you want to speak WITHOUT censorship, (within civil speech)?
Do you want to have these discussions with people from around the WORLD?
THEN JOIN US!!!!!!!

Serg97 Level 7 Dec 29, 2019
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I think therefore I D W.

Chef's kiss

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"Do you value cognitive liberty, free speech and civil discussions? Join the non-profit community that permits fact-based discussions of all topics - even difficult and politically sensitive ones."

I'm not sure that non-profit fits, but I don't have a suggestion for that one... I would change permits to encourages and insert respectful after it. I would leave off everything after the hyphen or maybe change it to something like, come as our guest, stay and become our family. Just spit-balling here. So...

"Do you value cognitive liberty, free speech and civil discussions? Join the _ community that encourages respectful fact-based discussions of all topics. Come as our guest, stay and become part of our community!"

Something like that, maybe. Still working on the non-profit part, what message are you trying to convey by that?

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This would be my choice...
"Do you value cognitive liberty, free speech and civil discussions? Join the non-profit community that permits fact-based discussions of all topics."

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Looking at my own initial experience visiting IDW, I would have joined quicker had the wording in the second, more descriptive proposed text change been used. I don't recall exactly how many times I visited before I joined but it was at least six or seven time. Additionally, I believe this text is more likely to draw in some of the folks that I have encouraged to take a look at IDW. Hope this helps.

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I have read the other posts yet because I would like to express my thoughts independently.
Not sure that complicating the description will attract more members. I tend to believe in keeping things simple, the idea here is to attract more people and open the forum to a wider audience. I believe that by making it easy to understand the objective you will encourage greater participation which will ultimately benefit the discourse.

Rick-A Level 7 Dec 28, 2019

Yes!

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Less is more. People can figure it out. I would make it:

Free speech and civil discourse. Join the IDW movement.

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How about this: instead of an intro/slogan. For now, post a new topical question daily, weekly, whatever to engage people. For example:

Do you really want to live in a world where what happened to Brett Kavanaugh could happen again?

What do you think are the biggest threats posed to our Constitutional Republic by the Left?

Which lies propagated by the Dems and the MSM make bipartisan civil discussions impossible?

RAZE Level 6 Jan 5, 2020
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You could just say, ‘Welcome to the only platform with no safe spaces’ or just put up a Prager quote: “There are plenty of safe spaces for the Left, but no safe spaces from the Left.”

Cognitive liberty. Yes. I like it. To answer your question. The challenge is, the way I see it, the more you try to hone in on exactly what it is, the more it becomes a very narrow description.

The problem, the way I see it is this: “Free Speech” platforms fail because they pull in undesirables at the ends of the spectrum. I assume the target market you are going after is:

Right wing. Conservative. Mature intellectual discussions.

The community that believes there are only two genders.

Home of the orthodox climate change deniers.

The Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself fan club.

RAZE Level 6 Jan 5, 2020

Love that idea of no safe spaces from the left! 👍

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Apparently, there's no way for me to discuss anything further w/ WingedRyno, as there is no 'reply' area evident in this thread. So, I too will "wing it."

Irony indeed. And who will be the next one to determine, under whatever criteria, that something I should write should see the light of day?

To quote the Winged One,
"Given this hidden moderation (at least I wasn't aware of it) and the reports of content being censored in this forum, along with the "free speech" advertising of this forum as an alternative to the censored and tailored content from other social media platforms, I have a bad feeling about the direction this forum is headed."

Well...Damn...

There should be a reply button at the bottom of the post, are you still not seeing it?

This "bug" appears to affect anybody who replies to a comment in this forum. Maybe it's a "feature" though to keep conversations organized to the person making the original comment rather?

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You might add that truth is more Is more important than being political correct.

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The trouble with the likes of Facebook is its monitored to to suit the Admin and Facebook criteria but njot by general law so its biased and you can be banned because you object to racist comments

ieuan Level 6 Dec 29, 2019
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admin,, as it stands from my view, the honest take would be to call it a general store bulletin board for political catastophism talking point links you can share with your friends to help breed civic discontent and social division.

sigh

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Simple, "FREE SPEECH HERE" if you do not like what is said, make you comment and move on!!!!

Serg97 Level 7 Apr 9, 2020
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All topics covers it. IMHO.

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