Regardless of the eventual winner, one thing that stood out was how close the popular vote was. What does it imply that the polls, predicting a Biden win with up to 10% more votes, were wrong. Why were many voters afraid to tell even an anonymous pollster that they preferred Trump over Biden?
What we choose to believe the reason to be greatly impacts how we, as a country, proceed.
We could choose to believe that the Trump supporters are simply closet racists, sexists, and bigots who secretly want to support one of their own - doing so reaffirms the narrative that America is a terrible place.
Or, we could choose that they were not buying the narrative that America is fundamentally flawed with racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry .
Or, we could choose that they simply believed that Trump was a better choice despite the best efforts of mainstream news, social media, and the entertainment industry to highlight his flaws - factual or not.
Especially for Biden/Harris supporters, how to move forward really depends on what was learned from this election. If it's the first option, perhaps Trump supporters simply need more CRT (aka, racial sensitivity) and similar training? If it's the second, perhaps it's a time to re-examine some of the assumptions of the progressive movement? If it's the third, perhaps these organizations should try harder?
What do you think?
All you need to do is give a cursory glance at the Biden/Harris rallies and you know that whatever turned out their vote, it was neither of them. I would say that the motivating factor was Trump, and the fact that their votes were against him. “Anyone but Trump.”
I happen to like Trump, not just his policies, but him—his style, his rough unfinished approach, the fact that he comes away from every skirmish with blood on his fists. I love that he’s not Paul Ryan, or Mitt Romney, or John McCaine, or any of the Bushes, or Bob Dole, or any of the other spineless wimps who’ve sold us out for decades. I suspect this is a major factor behind his support.
I don’t think you can separate Trump’s style from his policies. It takes balls to go after the results he’s realized. He has stood up to the world snd he’s done pretty damn good. He’s taken every hit his enemies here have thrown at him and he’s still standing. Could a Jeb Bush have stood up for a populist agenda, and weathered the resulting storm? Nevermind that Jeb Bush is a globalist and is diametrically opposed to the very fact of Trump’s existence. The msn has no balls.
I’m not convinced the vote is all that close. Clearly the expected Blue Tsunami never materialized. There are serious anomalies with a lot of the ballot counts. That’s not opinion or conspiracy think, it’s happening and it’s verifiable.
I’ll wait until the courts weigh in before committing myself to an opinion about that question.
For the questions asked in the poll my thoughts are these: I do not believe Trump is any more racist than anyone else. The two biggest appeals for me are he is an outsider, and he is more America first. You can agree or disagree. I have no desire to argue the point it is simply how I feel about it.
Is America flawed? It most certainly is. I see things going on that I don't like and cause concern, and a whole lot more of it this past year. Would I want to live or have been born anywhere else in the world? Not a chance, I love this country and despite its flaws I still think its an amazing place to be.
IMO, Trump has not gotten a fair shake in the media, in Hollywood, not even in government. Has he brought some of this on himself? Perhaps so. Do I believe every Trump conspiracy going around? No, but I would certainly like to see some of them looked at harder and some questions answered. I do believe he and people around him have been targeted. I also think removing Trump from office, now more so than ever, solves a lot of problems for people.
You are welcome to have differing opinions, some of these things we will never get any real answers to so tossing around opinions will be about as good as it gets.
It is because if you're not with the left and claim or say what they want you to you become a target. Being a target can range from anything from getting yelled and screamed at by even your own family members to having personal attacks, job loss or threats of your house being burned down. Why would anybody openly say they are a Trump supporter if any of that is possible. The silent majority is real, The left has created it.
Polling has gone wacky since the phone system switched from landlines to cell phones. Most people only respond to people they recognize. I was dodging sporadic polling calls for about a month.
The 'Shy Trump voter' is a very real, and very large, category.
Polls are a commercial product, sold to media organizations that already believe in 'Orange Man Bad.' Polls that support this thesis are readily accepted, are worldview affirming to them. They will be widely disseminated, and then reinforce the Blue Wave assumptions.
The Blue Wave expectation provides perfect cover for finding bags full of Biden-only ballots that were 'misplaced.' Wouldn't you expect whole precincts full of exclusively Democratic voters in a Blue Wave election? I don't know if the polls were a premeditated deception, but they did provide cover.
For myself, it was a mix of not buying the narrative and believing Trump was the better choice. Regardless who wins, beliefs to the contrary exist and I'm not sure how we move forward.
So, the popular vote being so close is not entirely surprising to me. Considering the Democratic campaign having been on the extreme end, in addition to conservatives, there were a great deal many more traditional Democrats and liberals that found it a bit of a turn off as well. It's simply too far left for a lot of people. So, less of a reflection of "love of Trump" and more of a "the Democratic party has gone crazy". If they had picked a stronger, consistent, and grounded candidate other then Biden, who I believe is still more moderate than most, then they may have had a better chance.
Interpreting the popular vote by MSM has been as out of touch as their coverage of Trump supporters. There are a great deal many people who love our country and find it worth defending. So, when MSM "sides" with those that are tearing it down, speaking disrespectfully of our police, and echoing the message that America was never great, while also showing a great deal of support for Biden, it is a deterrent to voters who don't agree with their perspective.
Yes, there are a great deal of people who whole heartedly love Trump. I find that actually very admirable. I'm, often times, overly skeptical of particular devotions. However, the way MSM has spoken so disgustingly of the "MAGA hats" over the last few years is appalling. I don't recall any such slander when there was groups of Obama lovers. Loving your president is not an "ill" that needs to be cured.
The MSM continued lack of self awareness is striking. I, for one, am getting tired of the double standard of what is considered good or bad civil unrest. Months and months of unending BLM protests spun positively. Trump rally headlines being "super spreaders". Riots spun as "mostly peaceful". Blue lives matter protests shown as "dangerous and racist". NFAC and other armed black militias barely make the news. Proud Boys and other (deemed "white supremacist" ) militias are talked about non stop as being "threatening and aggressive". Now there's the "good" election protesters and "bad" election protesters. It's frustrating.
Trump was the better choice, but at the same time the polls were wrong because, let's face it they are the most archaic way to test a sample of voters. 1st, who is sitting at home, answering their phone when an unknown number shows up on the screen? 2nd, why sample such a small number? We live in an age of technology, and cold calling a handful of people is the best they could do? Come on man!
I know little about who funds polling organizations, what kinds of questions they ask, how they select people they poll, or how honest they are with the data they collect. So, as usual, I look at a simple explanation for why they were so far off. Think about it...if the polls were miles apart from the anti-Trump narratives the MSM has been ramming down our throats for 4 years, how would the MSM and pollsters explain that? I'm not suggesting the MSM and the pollsters are in cahoots, but I never expect the polls the MSM highlights to contradict them. I don't know if news outlets cherry pick the polls they "follow", but let's be honest....if they had focused on the Trafalgar group, they would have been much closer to reality, just like in 2016. I know....Trafalgar group had Trump winning, and he still might, but even if he loses, they had it more right than anyone else. But the MSM would never endorse a polling group that contradicted their precious narrative now, would they?
If Trump loses, I can't point to the horrible treatment he's received from the media without first pointing out his failure to manage the things he COULD control....his ego, his tweets, and his thin skin. Trump can be maddening at times, but I think he got it right way more than he got it wrong.
(sorry for repost, Admin... LOL)
On your first point, I don't think polls efficacy and racism, sexism, or bigotry are related. Clearly if you don't think Trump is any of these things, there would be nothing wrong with telling people you'd vote for Trump.
As well, I do believe that Trump supporters would not be inclined to participate with pollsters or to do so honestly. After all, Trump himself has no trust in the MSM and it's easy to see polls run by those MSM as untrustworthy and, by extension, any poll as untrustworthy.
However, I reject the notion that Trump supporters were "ashamed" or "shy" about expressing their support for Trump. The rallys, the Trump Trains, the social media... if anything, Trump supporters were Public in their support when in crowds... but maybe not so much in a one to one with a stranger they don't trust.
For me- the Polls have never been correct in the 45 years I've been voting. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because behavior he had, but after Economy, his success with , the Wall and the Peace accord I knew I had to support him this time. I didn't vote for his Morals I voted for government, I knew the D Party is corrupt on all levels.The impeachment farce has made me angry the Biden scandal has me furious, if we allow them to steal the election I am afraid we are doomed to the Lefts Chaos. We must support the President at all costs.
The polls are essentially corrupted and not reliable at all. I would not be surprised if Trump actually did slightly better in real numbers. Trumps biggest problem was MSM constant Trump bashing, always a misrepresentation and sometimes a complete fiction.
I'm a Democrat and I voted for Biden, but I never believed the pre-election polls. The media was massively wrong in 2016 and so I couldn't trust it. I honestly expected to see either another Trump victory or a hellish close call/"I demand a recount" situation like we're seeing now. I did not expect a clean Biden victory, no matter what the media said. You cannot trust the media.
As for Trump supporters, I voted that they simply believed that Trump was a better choice. I have spent the last 4 years trying to understand the Republican perspective. I think I'm a lot closer to understanding it and sympathizing than I was in 2016. I considered voting for Trump myself, if that tells you anything.
I do not buy into this "closet racist/bigot" crap. I roll my eyes at that kind of talk.
Trump today accused the pollsters of “knowingly” getting it wrong. Whether it was knowingly or not, they missed the key points: a virtual dead heat, Republicans performing well in races for the House and Senate, no sign of the hotly anticipated Big Blue Wave, and Democratic failure to pick off key Republicans in South Carolina and Kentucky despite spending over $200-million on a few focused races.
Trump was also correct today in describing “election interference” as the powerful hand of “big money, big media and big tech.” Those forces have been arrayed against The President from the day he descended on the escalator at Trump Tower.
I can live with a Joe Biden presidency. My disappointment is in losing the final bulwark against the growing forces who believe America was never great, it’s history is shameful, it’s intentions dishonourable, it’s laws unjust, and its institutions and citizens racist. Make no mistake. The majority of the people who believe that are Democrats, progressives, woke activists, socialists, their followers, and their friends.
Donald Trump could have been a powerful counterforce, and to some degree, he was; but again and again he missed opportunities to control the agenda by constantly reacting — and often over-reacting — to his critics. Great conservative leaders like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher pushed ahead, and rarely allowed themselves to be distracted.
If I were advising President Trump — and he has been often hampered by poor advice — I would plead with him to await the results and graciously concede. The more he resists at this point, the more difficult it will be for conservatives to reunite and begin working toward the 2022 midterm campaign and the next Presidential race.
Polls can be inaccurate. I do surveys/polls in my spare time sometimes in exchange for cryptos, and on multiple occasions I was able to do the same surveys over and over again, and when something like that can occur that leads me to believe surveys and polls are not reliable.
Demo lemos can't think for themselves and look to MSM for their bearings as to how to vote and live. They are so afraid to find themselves on the other side of the street, scared to death of being looked at as a Racist and all the other PC nonsense. They then will not look smart, trendy and above all else "cool".
Biden tried to persuade the vanishing share of the electorate who are white swing voters rather than seeking to expand his base by mobilizing the diverse working class, young people, and progressives who make up much of the 100 million non-voters. Meanwhile, Trump did exactly that, drawing still predominantly white but more diverse working class non-voters who the Republicans seek to integrate into white supremacy and patriarchy, with his tally increasing from 2016 by 2 million non-whites and 1.5 million working class white women. This allowed him to cancel out Biden's advantage at the Texas border, for example, and contest it in Black communities in North Carolina. I expect the polls simply did not account for enough non-voters, or at least not the fact that only Trump would seek them out. The lesson is that the Democrats need a strategy for the working class--however, that is counter to their interests. Therefore, the larger lesson, if you believe they are complicit in forever divided government with a Republican Party that must be defeated, is an indictment of the Democratic Party and the US's political system.